The future of Porteus

[aus9]

@brokenman

I will attempt to help datruche and his broadcom device on my tutorial page if you have no objection.

His reponse to where to look for Nemesis stuff I shall leave for others to repond to or not as they see fit. But I don't think we can have Nemesis in Development due to its wording

[fullmoonremix]

Salutations...

Nemesis although functional is still being beta tested. It's not ready for prime time yet.
IMHO... it's currently by default a derivative because it's not officially supported.

Best Regards...

[datruche]

Salutations fullmoonremix,

Agree. Wanted to point out this classification/forum was unclear to me and might be such for a bunch of Porteus casual users. eg all those using it on some occasions (rescue, demo, testing).
Take any distro you've used in the past and see which one had its development forum in a subforum below "derivatives".

aus9 thanks, will go.

[brokenman]

Nothing yet wread? If you have kde5 running on slackware porteus then now would be the time to send the package list.

I have a blank screen on boot. Same as with I had with arch only the reason was easy to find on arch. It still elludes me in slackware.

[francois]

@wread:
If there is something to test for kde5 current slackware just send a pm. I will do.

[brokenman]

Don't worry wread. Took me all night but I have it working fine. Francois, nothing yet. Just keeping my finger on the pulse.

[killermenpl]

I'll ask again, because no one answered last time (Thank you aus9 for moving to correct place).

Why change from Slackware to Arch? I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm just curious what are the benefits of changing to Arch. For me it's just more work to get to where Slackware Porteus is right now.

I've noticed the new package manager, but I don't think it would be that difficult to make a new package manager for Porteus that would have the same features (downloading packages and automatically converting to .xzm)

Again, I'm not hating Nemesis, I just don't see the point of it.

[aus9]

For me it's just more work to get to where Slackware Porteus is right now.

Have you considered just how much is involved in trying to stay with Slackware. I gave you the benefit of the doubt in posting in the other forum but please, others have expressed some concerns you have raised but not all members feel the same as you. And brokenman has dealt with those issues. I am not here to speak on his behalf but its very difficult to try and maintain Slackware base. He is only one human.

I am not sure based on quoted box if English is your first language but the wording is slightly insulting. If I was to take you at your word....you have tested Nemesis but refused to do any bug reports and found it difficult to get to where you feel comfort as per old Porteus. Since you are human too.....I will grant you one extra doubt.

We need more testers, so think positive! If you really did test Nemesis pop over and do some kind of review of what you found difficult in the v 3.5 bug report.

If on the other hand, you never tested Nemesis or refuse to report any bugs....have the courage to read all 18 pages and don't repeat a question that in most was answered on page one. There are 2 package managers for Nemesis, pacman and pman and pman makes modules.



Nemesis test of wireless module FYI

Code: Select all

sudo modprobe mt7601u
[sudo] password for guest: 
guest ~ $ lsmod | grep mt*
mt7601u                40000  0
mac80211              235648  1 mt7601u
cfg80211              149992  2 mac80211,mt7601u

[killermenpl]

Have you considered just how much is involved in trying to stay with Slackware

I'll be completely honest: I have absolutely no idea which is more difficult. If I were in brokenman's boots I would rather try and stick with what I know and built on what is currently working instead of redoing everything again.

I am not sure based on quoted box if English is your first language but the wording is slightly insulting.

I'm from Poland and English is my second language. Sorry if I sounded insulting. That was not my intention. It was actually the opposite of what I wanted to sound like.

If I was to take you at your word....you have tested Nemesis but refused to do any bug reports and found it difficult to get to where you feel comfort as per old Porteus.

I installed Nemesis on my USB stick for testing. I booted it up for a quick test if it even works for me (not every Linux distro works on my PC and I have no idea why). I like how Wi-Fi works without any extra configuration. It misses some of the old Porteus features, like the settings centre and changes.dat creator, but I'm sure they will be added later.

We need more testers, so think positive!

While I was writing this I didn't have any strong feelings in any direction. I was just curious about the reasoning behind switching to Arch, that's all. I think I'm going to be using Nemesis as soon as I figure out how to make it save changes without having to format my USB stick in ext4.

There are 2 package managers for Nemesis, pacman and pman and pman makes modules.

Can you explain why are there two package managers? Is it just that pman is a wrapper for pacman that makes modules automatically or is it completely separate and pacman is there only for when pman doesn't work?

[Ed_P]

Have you considered just how much is involved in trying to stay with Slackware

I'll be completely honest: I have absolutely no idea which is more difficult. If I were in brokenman's boots I would rather try and stick with what I know and built on what is currently working instead of redoing everything again.

I agree. It is easier to fix a car than build a new one. Same can be said for a house, a road, a toilet, etc.

I am not sure based on quoted box if English is your first language but the wording is slightly insulting.

I'm from Poland and English is my second language. Sorry if I sounded insulting.

I wasn't insulted. And I suspect most others here weren't either. You were openly expressing an opinion and that is, and should be, desirable.

If I was to take you at your word....you have tested Nemesis but refused to do any bug reports and found it difficult to get to where you feel comfort as per old Porteus.

I installed Nemesis on my USB stick for testing. I booted it up for a quick test if it even works for me (not every Linux distro works on my PC and I have no idea why). I like how Wi-Fi works without any extra configuration. It misses some of the old Porteus features, like the settings centre and changes.dat creator, but I'm sure they will be added later.

When nemesis gets out of its alpha stage I am sure that will happen.

While I was writing this I didn't have any strong feelings in any direction. I was just curious about the reasoning behind switching to Arch, that's all. I think I'm going to be using Nemesis as soon as I figure out how to make it save changes without having to format my USB stick in ext4.

Not sure what version of nemesis you used but 3.5 saves changes, on FAT format drives using the changes= cheatcode. You can use the Savefile Manager in 3.1 Porteus to create the save.dat file.

Can you explain why are there two package managers? Is it just that pman is a wrapper for pacman that makes modules automatically

That appears to be the case.

[Bogomips]

I am not sure based on quoted box if English is your first language but the wording is slightly insulting.

I'm from Poland and English is my second language. Sorry if I sounded insulting.

I wasn't insulted. And I suspect most others here weren't either. You were openly expressing an opinion and that is, and should be, desirable

. Thought I was missing something there. Tried to find the insult, and I could not. Only thing I could think of that could be taken as an insult, was the slightly critical attitude towards Nemesis. No, killermenpl as far as English is concerned you are doing just fine. No need to apologise.

[roadie]

@killermenpl

Can you explain why are there two package managers? Is it just that pman is a wrapper for pacman that makes modules automatically or is it completely separate and pacman is there only for when pman doesn't work?

To clear up any confusion, pman is not a package manager, it is a wrapper for pacman which is the package manager. Pman uses pacman to download packages, but then converts them to an xzm module and moves them to your modules directory. It makes things easier for you.

If, for some reason, pman isn't working, you can still get packages with pacman

I found nothing insulting in your post....not sure what thats about.

[roadie]

@Ed_P

I agree. It is easier to fix a car than build a new one. Same can be said for a house, a road, a toilet, etc.

I have to say I'm a bit surprised to see this...there's not a lot to 'fix' in Porteus, but the release shedule doesn't hold a candle to Arch. Slackware releases 'when it's ready'....maybe a year, maybe 2 years. Porteus can't release until Slackware does. Now, I'm fine with that as I have pretty basic needs, but the majority wants the newest and the shiniest, they don't want to wait 2 years for a new release.

And, we've already thrashed the problem of keeping 8 desktops under Slackware...can't be done with one maintainer.

[donald]

^

maybe a year, maybe 2 years. Porteus can't release until Slackware does.

I couldn't care less about having the latest version of the kernel or whatever program.
If it's not for Bug/Security fixes I would never bother upgrading my system...
..seems I'm getting old...(wise?)

[killermenpl]

@killermenpl

Can you explain why are there two package managers? Is it just that pman is a wrapper for pacman that makes modules automatically or is it completely separate and pacman is there only for when pman doesn't work?

To clear up any confusion, pman is not a package manager, it is a wrapper for pacman which is the package manager. Pman uses pacman to download packages, but then converts them to an xzm module and moves them to your modules directory. It makes things easier for you.

If, for some reason, pman isn't working, you can still get packages with pacman

I found nothing insulting in your post....not sure what thats about.

Thanks! that's exactly what I wanted to know.

No, killermenpl as far as English is concerned you are doing just fine

Thanks!

Not sure what version of nemesis you used but 3.5 saves changes, on FAT format drives using the changes= cheatcode. You can use the Savefile Manager in 3.1 Porteus to create the save.dat file.

I'll try this tommorow. Right now I have another USB stick formatted in ext3 with Nemesis on it. I would leave it like that if I didn't have to use the stick in school.