Wishlist for porteus 3.1

[fanthom]

bit too dangerous to my liking. i'm worrying it may cause changes corruption.
please find a better way, some hints can be find in this old thread (Porteus 0.9 ):
viewtopic.php?f=41&t=200

[fanthom]

just in case: How about NTP.
please have a look on 3.1 rc1 changelog as i have implemented ntp based solution already

[francois]

@Peter:
Are you announcing us that you are leaving Mexico?

[Kriss]

I'd like to suggest to rename all x86_64 core modules so instead of, for example, two 05-devel modules we'll have "05-devel.xzm" and "05-devel64.xzm"
Same for "vmlinuz" and "initrd.xz".

[fanthom]

or maybe we could drop 32bit arch entirely?
see Ubuntu:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n ... px=MTgxOTQ

that would definitely lower overhead on the dev side and simplify things.
perhaps we could froze 32bit on 3.1 release and deliver only security updates provided to Slackware-14.1 by Pat.

what do you guys think?

[donald]

@ fanthom
you may take a look at the server-logs...how many 32bit downloads have been done...
That should give you an idea whether 32-bit is still important.

[francois]

... that would definitely lower overhead on the dev side and simplify things ...
What is good for the developpers is good for us all.

... we could froze 32bit on 3.1 release and deliver only security updates ...
This could be called a very good after sale service.

[tome]

perhaps we could froze 32bit on 3.1 release and deliver only security updates provided to Slackware-14.1 by Pat.

what do you guys think?

I agree, version 3.1 is probably last that we can grab ready-made LXDE module and it would be something like Long Term or Extended Support Release.

[donald]

drop 64 bit...32 bit fits all..
..up to now has 64 bit no real Advantages..

[Bogomips]

Afraid not quite au fait here. Thought common consensus of the web was that, without a compelling reason to move to 64 bit, one is better off sticking to 32 bit.

[fanthom]

drop 64 bit...32 bit fits all..
..up to now has 64 bit no real Advantages..
have a look here:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a ... _x64&num=1

final sentence:

While the Linux gaming performance with the Intel HD Graphics on Mesa was about the same, for nearly all of the other computational tests the 64-bit version of Ubuntu Linux continued to offer superior performance over the 32-bit Ubuntu build, as expected.

more benchmarks:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a ... 3264&num=1
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a ... 3264&num=1

[donald]

@ fanthom
The comment was not meant seriously, but true.

OK.lets see:
I looked at the results...here one second ,there one second ..not sooo much
and in general, benchmarks have nothing to do with the daily workflow...

I agree when you say that maintaining 2 archs of porteus
claimed more of your free time as you like.

But I think more about all the not so rich countries / people
who would lose an opportunity to use their hardware.

and what about the portability?
"hey donald, please help me,my system crashed.";..sure, wait a moment...Oh you're using a 32bit PC....I'm sorry, my porteus usb-flash won't boot here...sorry"....

[Kriss]

drop 64 bit...32 bit fits all..
..up to now has 64 bit no real Advantages..

Some people (like me) use it on systems with more than 4Gb of RAM. 95% of the time it's 8 - 16 Gb in my case.
AFAIK, most 32bit programs have the same limitations.
P.S. PAE kernel doesn't work on some of the CPUs (as I was told when I asked for it here).

P.P.S. Sadly, 32 bit version is sometimes needed for older CPUs (I usually have both versions on one USB flash).

@fanthom You're looking for a ways to reduce your workload (sorry, didn't find a better word)? Or you're just curious?

[donald]

Hi Kriss
Yes you're right, some very old hardware (PII + amd k6) may not support PAE very well, if at all.(some Pentium M processors "Centrino"too)

But I believe that PII's and similar are attached onto Motherboards
which do not support such a lot of RAM.(no need for a PAE kernel) and I'm in doubt that such old Hardware is able to run any modern OS (like porteus)

To have both versions on one usb-flash is nice...as long as we get both versions..

[Bogomips]

Ubuntu 14.04 LTS 32-bit vs. 64-bit Performance

Usually the only caveat in not using a 64-bit Linux image is if running a system with less than 2GB of RAM.

PC bit over 5 yrs old. Getting on famously with Porteus on just under 1GB ram.

Boils down to: versatility vs. velocity