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Re: The future of Porteus

Posted: 30 Nov 2015, 22:55
by ralcocer
I just saw this: https://github.com/godane/archiso-live Archiso-Live For Dummies Like Me and You

Re: The future of Porteus

Posted: 01 Dec 2015, 15:21
by Tonio
Very true! Godane has not updated anything. But if you are looking for an arch based livecd/dvd there's one by Arne Exton:

http://linux.exton.net/?p=372

Check it out at your risk?

Re: The future of Porteus

Posted: 01 Dec 2015, 23:23
by aus9
@phhpro
Got an SSL error in Lynx trying the Unicorn W3 Validator site
This is a known bad build error by Offiicial XZ. As root fix it by getting a cert bundle by this command

Code: Select all

update-ca-trust
OFFTOPIC because you have a high post count, I do offer an alternative to non-newbies in the nemesis fourm.
su root went fine, but there was an error of sorts
there should be only one error not multiple.....Failed to connect to bus: Operation not permitted

You will get no errors if you just use sudo <command>

Re: The future of Porteus

Posted: 01 Dec 2015, 23:52
by aus9
Hi
that would first of all imply the current user to be in the sudoers list && has the appropiate rights, not?
I gather you think there is a problem with brokenman's current etc/sudoers?

As I said it works fine for me. YMMV

forgot to add
----Porteus and Nemesis are designed to have local username as guest and not something you add
I found this out on Porteus. Useradd command is still included tho

Re: The future of Porteus

Posted: 02 Dec 2015, 01:30
by Tonio
this is only a fictional example but maybe next to reality, there seems to be some interest of beny, tonio, knallknopf and wread for kde-standard or kde5-plasma
I shall be as honest as I can here. I am not that much a power user as I just use desktops as they come from distro, on one machine where KDE works, I use it. On others I use xfce. But as to work with nepomuk* whatever, chop it down, compile/recompile plasma this, plasma there. I am not even close :( You can say for sure wread does get there and beny and them because they do get stuff done, but I do not deserve to be mentioned with them :( They do work on many things I do not. Just on using login managers, I actually prefer to login to level 3 and startx, but I actually cheat I use a trick to login

http://www.fprimex.com/linux/slackware/tips.html

since I am the only user on most of my machines. At school I used the other trick get graphical login and use level 4 and configure KDE autologin.
@All
We can copy JFK a bit :)
Ask not what Porteus can do for you? Ask what you can do for Porteus :) :Yahoo!:
What do we want porteus for us to be? Do we want it as a true take our desktop anywhere? a true pocket OS, or do we just want porteus to be our swiss knife and use it to recover broken systems, etc? I used to do some work with winmodems, but now they are getting to be obsolete :( with wifi systems and broadband internet that work is only history
http://old.slax.org/forum.php?action=v ... orid=4708
Did this for Slax before working on official slackware, also did this with mandrake, red hat, and fedora core through many releases.

http://old.slax.org/modules.php?action=detail&id=366

Created some of these scripts for porteus see some howtos here, but now they are obsolete and going way of the DODO bird :( :wink:
I added some programs(gnuplot, kertex, ghostcript, etc) to make my porteus experience better, but these programs are seldom used and not are on everyone's list :(
@brokenman
how would you delegate/train some of porteus users as to how to add/delete desktops or apps on nemesis based porteus? Will you still consider a slackware variant of porteus where we users collaborate and decide like francois mentions, kde users, xfce users, lxqt/lxde, etc? Christmas is around the corner and time could be in our hands to try and help out in some way when we are away from work :) My $0.02

Re: The future of Porteus

Posted: 02 Dec 2015, 02:08
by francois
@tonio:
I am partly teasing a few on the forum. However, have a look here to install plasma5 on arch linux or nemesis:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/KDE

I was able to do it from arch linux, why wouldn't you be able to do it, nemesis. :twisted:

But maybe, I am going too fast. Brokenman maybe wants to do better for now with lxde, before moving for the following desktops.

@phhpro:
Speed appears much improved. Responsive like hell ...
Skeptics will be confounded. :wink:

Re: The future of Porteus

Posted: 03 Dec 2015, 00:34
by Tonio
@Igor
Agree 99.9%. I was trying to point out several times, but you have expressed it much better. Problems I forsee, many users do not want for Porteus to move to Arch Base. The Manjaro folks, archbang, and the arch based livecd/dvd by arne exton already provide a big base and much work behind them. If porteus is to move base over there, why reinvent, get one of the many versions and make scripts to repackage it and create the modular structure there and presto :) But would not offend those developers? This may need more discussion and investigation?
Anyhow at the end of all things, we would see something at a restaurant,
This is not Burger King, You do not get it your way, you get it my way or you do not get the damn thing!
But brokenman, fanthom and many power users are very nice folks that care about us the users and give us choices. Some users could well suggest getting the slackware-live by Alienbob and recreate the porteus structure there update many packages and repackage the 000-kernel, 001-core, 002-whicheverdesktop, ... and so on. What would be easier to do? What would be more appropriate? This is getting to be tough, the blonde lady or the red hair lady? :wink:

Best Regards to all!

Re: The future of Porteus

Posted: 03 Dec 2015, 01:02
by Bogomips
Tonio wrote: What would be more appropriate? This is getting to be tough, the blonde lady or the red hair lady? :wink:
Surely you mean the wife, the Mother of your children, or the Mistress? :evil:

Re: The future of Porteus

Posted: 03 Dec 2015, 03:07
by brokenman
Arch is 36 developers and dozens of active assistants
This is exactly my original point and impetus for changing base. Isn't it better to utilize these resources to ensure the longevity of Porteus? Arch documentation is without a doubt the best there is. Finding the answer to any problems is much easier. Building Porteus Arch took me 45 minutes. Building the latest Porteus Slackware would take MUCH longer since they bumped some important core packages. There would be a lot of recompiling.
We have no strategy and therefore the erroneous tactic.
I don't agree.
Porteus is a set of scripts and patches
I only wish it were that simple.
Let's help to make Porteus. Let's not re-invent the Arch, to build it from scratch.
But wait ... if we use a slackware base are we re-inventing slackware? Are we building it from scratch?
If porteus is to move base over there, why reinvent, get one of the many versions ...
Aren't there also a myriad of live slackware distros?
Let's separate flies from cutlets.
What you are suggesting (only releasing a base) is moving our aim away from attracting new comers and focussing on being a distro that experienced linux users can enjoy. That isn't (and never will be) the aim of Porteus. It will be released as 001 (text mode), 002 (xorg base), and 003 (desktop) and perhaps 004(apps) modules. This allows beginners to have a ready to go desktop environment (their choice) and advanced users to strip it naked and build there own system. Creating a single 001-porteus module doesn't make sense to me. Many of the custom porteus scripts only support with the 4 current desktops that we use. I believe it is better to stay with fanthoms design of having modules according to runlevels.
What would be easier to do?
That's the question I have been asking myself lately. Porteus can be created on ANY distro. You dont need a slackware-live to create porteus. I created porteus arch on porteus slackware. My technique is to chroot into a partition with the base files and start building, then from the packages produced I start building the modules that we know as porteus.

As I dig deeper into systemd I find some things unecessarily convulted and complex, and others so simple my mother could do it. What I like about slackware is the stability. Rock solid. What I don't like is the range of package choice.

Re: The future of Porteus

Posted: 03 Dec 2015, 17:10
by roadie
@igor
When I try to see your vision of Porteus, it seems to be very far away from what Porteus was designed to be. It looks to be something an experienced user could be comfortable with, but would leave a new user floundering in confusion.

It's great to have the package availabilty you get with Arch, and dependency problems are far less than Slackware. But, I don't believe Porteus can adopt the bleeding edge philosophy that comes with Arch, I know I don't want to be constantly building packages and upgrading...I just want the damn thing to work.

I can see brokenman's vision working, a core base, xorg, a light desktop and maybe a goodies package. I would think upgrades could be done every 3 months...would depend on what had to be upgraded. I'm not sure on how different desktops would be handled, maybe as francois has suggested, it could be a community thing. That becomes problematic though, as people tend to move on.

The main thing though, is that Porteus needs to keep the module base format it has now, thats what seperates it from all the others. What the base distro is really doesn't matter, just that with Porteus right now, Arch is a more viable base than Slackware in terms of the time and work needed to produce it.

In the end though, it has to be noobie friendly, or it will die.

Re: The future of Porteus

Posted: 03 Dec 2015, 17:47
by brokenman
I see that you besides Slackware anymore about anything can't think
As I have always said. No decision has yet been made. I am certainly not looking forward to compiling stuff for the version.
I would think upgrades could be done every 3 months
This is how I see it. Porteus would provide an update mechanism that is more conservative than arch. Users are free to upgrade along with arch, but only updates through the porteus update mechanism would be supported.
In the end though, it has to be noobie friendly, or it will die
Definitely.

Re: The future of Porteus

Posted: 03 Dec 2015, 19:14
by fullmoonremix
Salutations... :good:

@ brokenman... do you remember my whining (eg. blue4meridian?) about packages before the flame war :evil: last summer?

Well... :oops: since you added the slackonly repo 90% of my complaints were resolved

and the remaining packages I convert and/or compile myself (yes... I'm compiling now).

What I'm saying is... do you think "slackonly" put the availability issue to rest for Slackware Porteus?

Best Regards... :beer:

Re: The future of Porteus

Posted: 03 Dec 2015, 21:53
by brokenman
and the remaining packages I convert and/or compile myself
That should be enough to answer your question. Those remaining packages would no doubt be covered in arch already. There is really no comparison in terms of package count. Slackware has always had a modest package count int he official repos. USM helps, but still doesn't hold a candle to other distros.

Re: The future of Porteus and HATERS

Posted: 10 Dec 2015, 19:21
by JosepZ
I just stumbled upon this thread after a few months without checking the forum and I am sincerely stunned with the initial reaction brokenman got with his quasi-announcement on base-switching. That was MEAN! WHAT THE H·E·L·L IS WRONG WITH YOU, PEOPLE??!!! I'm starting to think that those who claim that the Linux user base is largely formed by anal nerds actually have a point. And I'm one of them, so I honestly don't want to get there. Maybe you could put your meta-sh*t aside and show some f***ing gratitude and respect to the man for creating and maintaining a wonderful and fully portable OS. And the best one at that without a doubt. Really, gratitude instead of rants about how stupid his decisions are and how dead the distro is, would be something he'd appreciate for all the hard work, I'm sure. Systemd is here to stay and I couldn't care less. All those distros carrying it are alive and well. Turn the page, carry on. My initial excitement with the possibilities of an Arch-based Porteus got broken by a wave of hostility and apocalyptic rants by people who actually don't have a clue about how it will turn out if it ever happens. Why don't you apply some common sense and just wait for the 4.0 version's release so you can actually TRY IT??

I can't believe I am saying this to adult people. Honestly, guys, I would be ashamed if I saw a reaction like that on my children. And they're 9 and 5 years old. Grow the f**k up.

My hat's off to you, brokenman, for creating a wonderful distro that I use on an almost daily basis. Thank YOU for all the hard work you invested on this. I love Porteus just the way it is, and still can't wait to see how the 4.0 branch turns out. The future's loaded with exciting possibilities, and hopefully it will all be for the better. And if it isn't, I will still thank you (and all the other people involved, of course). Slackware or Arch-based, it will still be Porteus. Small, module-based and convenient.

Just my 2000 cents. Cheers to those who showed some actual interest instead of complaining.

Re: The future of Porteus

Posted: 11 Dec 2015, 12:19
by sci_fi
@JosephZ
I couldn't agree more. I use Porteus daily, almost exclusively. A superb distro. I look forward to its continuing evolution.
Keep up the excellent work, Porteus team.

sci_fi