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Posted: 17 Oct 2020, 10:55
by fanthom
Hello fu11m00nremix,

I guess Porteus Desktop (and Kiosk as well) will never switch to the musl library.

Desktop oriented linux (as the name implies) is tailored to a casual users. Casual users care about the software availability in the first place.
Casual users are not interested in hardened setups as they would not be able to run Skype, Flash, TeamViewer, Citrix Receiver and pretty much every other proprietary code on such system. Some opensource packages require functions which are present in glibc and are stripped from musl (they are incompatible as well).

Musl library fits less for a desktop class system.

So maybe Porteus is an incorrect base for your project?

I understand you are here to seek a help to build your own distro based on Porteus and musl?
Did you ever consider switching to security oriented distros like e.g. Alpine Linux?
I think Alpine uses musl by default.

I'm worried you will never receive a help from other Porteus users in reaching your goal (whatever it is).
Not because they are unkind, they are simply not interested in these topics and do not benefit from them.

I think you are targeting an incorrect audience by posting on this forum ...

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Posted: 18 Oct 2020, 21:21
by fanthom
Musl will never be accepted in Slackware and Porteus for the reasons i have explained above (incompatibly with other software).
If you are trying to convince us that its better for this project than glibc then I can assure you it wont happen.

What is your goal by posting here? Do you seek help with creating a Porteus musl derivative or .... ?

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Posted: 19 Oct 2020, 07:30
by fanthom
OK - clear.

Any chance you could share your derivative in the "Porteus Derivatives" section of the forum?
This way the users (including myself) could try it and see the benefits it brings.

Thanks

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Posted: 10 Nov 2020, 07:21
by Rava
fanthom wrote:
19 Oct 2020, 07:30
Any chance you could share your derivative in the "Porteus Derivatives" section of the forum?
This way the users (including myself) could try it and see the benefits it brings.
fu11m00nremix wrote:
19 Oct 2020, 09:33
Ok done.
ummm done? Really?

If so please share a link to the post with the finished Porteus Derivative stripped down to Musl instead of GLIBC project of yours.

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Posted: 10 Nov 2020, 14:13
by Rava
fu11m00nremix wrote:
10 Nov 2020, 14:01
"Done" as in...
from 19 Oct 2020, 11:33 till today nothing. Got it. :D

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Posted: 10 Nov 2020, 14:23
by Rava
fu11m00nremix wrote:
10 Nov 2020, 14:16
I was working on it overnight making it nice and shiny. But I must confess... I'm a "ricer".
What does "ricer" stand for in this case?

I would interpret it as "it was made to look nice, but it is more show than real quality", but I could mistaken.

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Posted: 10 Nov 2020, 17:02
by Rava
^I still don't know how to interpret the sentence - not everybody is a native tongue and gets your ambiguity.
I have no idea why answering a simple question that created ambiguity to a non-native tongue is seemingly so impossible to you.

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Posted: 11 Nov 2020, 04:53
by Rava
fu11m00nremix wrote:
11 Nov 2020, 01:43
This tutorial thread is about Musl libc.
[…]
Or to defend casual use of the English language.

Casually used by many in this forum (and chat) including you and those even @ the top of the food chain.
Yes and I was asking about one simple phrase non native tongues usually not familiar with. No trolling or baiting of any kind, me as non native tongue asking such has only been about that one single phrase. Why your need to reply more elaborate even accusing me of baiting or hijacking without giving a simple answer to one simple question is anyone's guess.
fu11m00nremix wrote:
11 Nov 2020, 01:43
IMHO... (or not?) you have been trolling my threads for 6 years while refusing
(in fairness... with one exception) to address your concerns (in private) with me.
So anyone who replies to any person more than once is trolling the threads of the first person.

Are you serious. By that logic approx 80-99% of all forum posts are mere trolling.

You are aware a forum makes only sense when folks reply? If you only want certain pre-selected folks allowed to reply to your highness who changes his username regularly to something including full and moon - start your own forum or blog.

I and all moderators and admins here recall the verbal abuse from you targeting me very well, even when that was years ago and even you changing your account name, or closing one account and creating a new one. You having deleted all of your old posts does not erase the proof of your past abuse. And not just abuse against a co forum user but nasty repeated abuse against a forum moderator.

When you did act like such a low life in the past you wonder why people try to get away from your abuse?

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Posted: 12 Nov 2020, 13:21
by fanthom
@fu11m00nremix

I'm also waiting ...

Will it ever come real? Seems you are working on it for quite some time now ...
Give us anything to test.

Thanks

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Posted: 13 Nov 2020, 14:05
by Rava
^ wow, so much toolkits and whatnot issues.

Is there no running example from other Linux variants that run on better known GUIs like XFCE ?
It cannot be that you are the only one to ever tried getting it to run on any decent Linux I presume.

And yes, do take your time, when there are issues along the way - especially when it takes way longer than thought - then it makes sense to post here about it - that you did (after fanthom asked about it as well)
Maybe some people can add advice. Sadly, I cannot, I heard of all the toolkits and whatnot here for the first time.

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Posted: 14 Nov 2020, 01:01
by Rava
^

FLWM also uses FLTK and it has its full name FLWM – Fast Light Window Manager for a reason.

And can Xlib be used instead? To quote http://wikka.puppylinux.com/JWM
JWM (Joe's Window Manager) is the default window manager in many Puppy Linux versions including Puppy4. It is light weight using only Xlib at a minimum.
But questionable if it would improve the look n feel much:

JWM
It provides an interface similar to Windows 98 and can support some GNOME, Motif and Extended Window Manager Hints.

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Posted: 28 Nov 2020, 22:22
by donald
fu11m00nremix wrote:
14 Nov 2020, 21:05
Ok... ready or not I will post the derivative in one week.
Please help..
I cannot find the download link.

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Posted: 28 Nov 2020, 23:42
by donald
And as usual, you edited the post afterwards to change the statement.
When the derivative is ready <-- wasn't there before
fu11m00nremix wrote:
28 Nov 2020, 22:49
I don't feel compelled to openly post my creation so individuals that don't share my values can benefit from my labor
:buhehe:

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Posted: 29 Nov 2020, 01:32
by donald
I am not interested in discussing anything with you,
neither publicly or via PM.

You made an anouncement:
--> I will post the derivative (in one week) <--
and i asked where is it.

and as usual, all one gets from you is nothing but hot air.

EOD