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Post#1 by kultex » 31 Aug 2022, 13:12

This is at the moment only documenting - I dont expect answers.....

1) Porteus ~2h in suspend mode

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guest@porteus:~$ upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
  updated:              Mi 31 Aug 2022 12:43:25 (2 seconds ago)
    energy:              36,445 Wh
    time to empty:       5,8 hours
    percentage:          80%

guest@porteus:~$ upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
  updated:              Mi 31  Aug 2022 14:56:46 (1 seconds ago)
    energy:              34,336 Wh
    time to empty:       5,5 hours
    percentage:          76%
2) Win 10 Professional - the log of the program BatterInfoView - this is definitly a big difference to Porteus

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==================================================
Description       : Battery Name
Value             : G71C000L0110
==================================================

31.08.2022 15:29:52	Discharging	80.6%	36.286	-3796	11.400	Timer	
31.08.2022 15:30:52	Discharging	80.5%	36.217	-5016	11.400	Timer	
31.08.2022 15:31:27	Discharging	80.4%	36.172	-7980	11.400	Computer Suspended	
31.08.2022 17:36:03	Discharging	80.3%	36.160	-6634	11.400	Computer Resumed	
31.08.2022 17:36:42	Discharging	79.3%	35.704	-7102	11.400	Timer	
3) Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS with realtime kernel - quite the same as Porteus

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tom@Ubunt-studio:~$ upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
  updated:              Mi 31 Aug 2022 18:05:19 (0 seconds ago)
    energy:              36,445 Wh
     time to empty:       5,4 hours
    percentage:          80%

tom@Ubunt-studio:~$ upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
  updated:              Mi 31 Aug 2022 20:05:04 (0 seconds ago)
    energy:              34,542 Wh
    time to empty:       4,3 hours
    percentage:          76%
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Overnight with Porteus 5.0

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guest@porteus:~$ upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
  updated:              Mi 31 Aug 2022 20:33:48 (1 seconds ago)
    energy:              36,753 Wh
    energy-rate:         7,056 W
    time to empty:       5,2 hours
    percentage:          81%
   
guest@porteus:~$ upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
  updated:              Do 01 Sep 2022 06:08:23 (0 seconds ago)
    energy:              27,724 Wh
    energy-rate:         7,102 W
    time to empty:       3,9 hours
    percentage:          61%
10 hours - Win 10 Professional - the log of the program BatteryInfoView - I had to turn off hibernation with "powercfg.exe /hibernate off" with cmd, because windows uses after ~ 3h the hybrid mode - and stop and start BatteryInfoView straight after Resume, because it gives a wrong value....

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04.09.2022 22:03:56	Discharging	81.4%	35.989	-8002	11.400	Timer	
04.09.2022 22:04:34	Discharging	81.2%	35.921	-7250	11.400	Computer Suspended	
05.09.2022 08:34:57	Discharging	81.2%	35.910	-8253	11.400	Computer Resumed	
05.09.2022 08:35:12	Discharging	77.1%	34.120	-10453	11.400	Timer	
Overnight with Porteus 4.0 with my old Acer Celeron N3050 laptop - battery is with 82% worse

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upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0
  native-path:          BAT0
  vendor:               SANYO
  model:                AC14B3K
  updated:              Mi 31 Aug 2022 22:34:59 CEST (24 seconds ago)
    energy:              35,9784 Wh
    energy-empty:        0 Wh
    energy-full:         40,7664 Wh
    energy-full-design:  49,704 Wh
    energy-rate:         6,5512 W
    voltage:             16,899 V
    time to empty:       5,5 hours
    percentage:          88%
    capacity:            82,0183%
    
     upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0
  updated:              Do 01 Sep 2022 09:01:34 CEST (26 seconds ago)
    energy:              31,1752 Wh
    energy-rate:         6,384 W
    time to empty:       4,9 hours
    percentage:          76%
MacBook Pro 9.2 2013 with Catalina - at the beginning 80,6% after 10 hours 79,5%

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Lilys-MBP:~ lilybraun$ date
Fr  2 Sep 2022 10:20:27 CEST
Lilys-MBP:~ lilybraun$ ioreg -l -w0 | grep Capacity
    | |           "AppleRawCurrentCapacity" = 3245
    | |           "AppleRawMaxCapacity" = 4016
    | |           "MaxCapacity" = 4016
    | |           "CurrentCapacity" = 3245
    | |           "LegacyBatteryInfo" = {"Amperage"=18446744073709550770,"Flags"=4,"Capacity"=4016,"Current"=3245,"Voltage"=11720,"Cycle Count"=756}
    | |           "DesignCapacity" = 5770
    | |           "BatteryData" = {"DesignCapacity"=5770,"CycleCount"=756,"Voltage"=11812,"StateOfCharge"=20992}
    
Lilys-MBP:~ lilybraun$ pmset sleepnow
Sleeping now...

Lilys-MBP:~ lilybraun$ date
Fr  2 Sep 2022 20:15:49 CEST

Lilys-MBP:~ lilybraun$ ioreg -l -w0 | grep Capacity
    | |           "AppleRawCurrentCapacity" = 3167
    | |           "AppleRawMaxCapacity" = 3984
    | |           "MaxCapacity" = 3984
    | |           "CurrentCapacity" = 3167

Porteus 5.0 on the MacBook Pro 9.2 2013

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guest@porteus:~$ upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0
  native-path:          BAT0
  vendor:               SMP
  model:                bq20z451
  updated:              Sat 03 Sep 2022 10:12:21 AM Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page (87 seconds ago)
    energy:              24.4404 Wh
    energy-empty:        0 Wh
    energy-full:         43.8219 Wh
    energy-full-design:  63.1815 Wh
    energy-rate:         14.6839 W
    voltage:             11.042 V
    time to empty:       1.7 hours
    percentage:          55.7721%
    capacity:            69.3588%
   

guest@porteus:~$ upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0
  updated:              Sat 03 Sep 2022 06:24:05 PM Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page (17 seconds ago)
    energy:              20.0056 Wh
    percentage:          45.6522%
MacBook Air 5.1. 2012. Full charge. 4955 mAh

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Last login: Mon Sep  5 10:10:02 on ttys000
edittabraun@Users-Air ~ % date                        
Mo  5 Sep 2022 10:11:14 CEST
edittabraun@Users-Air ~ % ioreg -l -w0 | grep Capacity
    | |           "AppleRawCurrentCapacity" = 3811
    | |           "AppleRawMaxCapacity" = 4955
    | |           "MaxCapacity" = 4955
    | |           "CurrentCapacity" = 3811
    | |           "LegacyBatteryInfo" = {"Amperage"=18446744073709551095,"Flags"=4,"Capacity"=4955,"Current"=3811,"Voltage"=7131,"Cycle Count"=21}
    | |           "DesignCapacity" = 4680
    | |           "BatteryData" = {"StateOfCharge"=76,"PMUConfigured"=2304,"AdapterPower"=0,"SystemPower"=165,"DesignCapacity"=4680,"CycleCount"=21,"Voltage"=7131}
edittabraun@Users-Air ~ % ioreg -l -w0 | grep Capacity
    | |           "AppleRawCurrentCapacity" = 3534
    | |           "AppleRawMaxCapacity" = 4955
    | |           "MaxCapacity" = 4955
    | |           "CurrentCapacity" = 3534
    | |           "LegacyBatteryInfo" = {"Amperage"=18446744073709551508,"Flags"=4,"Capacity"=4955,"Current"=3534,"Voltage"=7004,"Cycle Count"=21}
    | |           "DesignCapacity" = 4680
    | |           "BatteryData" = {"StateOfCharge"=71,"PMUConfigured"=2304,"AdapterPower"=0,"SystemPower"=2287,"DesignCapacity"=4680,"CycleCount"=21,"Voltage"=7162}
edittabraun@Users-Air ~ % date                        
Mo  5 Sep 2022 20:19:49 CEST
edittabraun@Users-Air ~ % 
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Post#2 by Rava » 02 Sep 2022, 04:50

kultex wrote:
31 Aug 2022, 13:12
This is at the moment only documenting - I dont expect answers.....
Interesting find… You mentioned a test with an older machine, the "Porteus 4.0 with my old Acer Celeron N3050 laptop" one…
I presume all the other tests (Port 5.0, Wind10, Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS are all on the same notebook, and that notebook is quite new.

Am I correct on that?

The issue you are having could be the usual: The hardware company shares info with M$-Mickysoft, but not with the free (as in beer and freedom) Linux community, and at least most standard Linux distros have not implemented some special hack to address the suspend issue - because you would have to reverse engineer what exactly Wind10 and the hardware does between each other to figure out why the consumption is so slow.

And then there are different ways to put a machine to sleep. The standard suspend is having all programs stay in RAM, have the RAM powered and put hard disk, CPU, GPU and whatnot in sleep mode, the longer that mode is on, the more battery it costs because of the active and powered RAM.

But there is a 2nd sleep mode - all RAM data got written to the hard disk (either to the SWAP partition, but more often to a special sleep mode kinda swap partition) - meaning more battery consumption at go-into-sleep-mode, and more at go-back-to-awake-mode, but since the RAM is not needed only very little battery is used during actual sleep, the longer your machine sleeps, the overall less battery loss you have.

The issue is, some OS explain the difference, and some are more murky, so it could be that Porteus and Ubuntu use Suspend (because that is how it's defined, Suspend = "Suspend to RAM") - while Wind10 uses "Suspend to harddisk" - Porteus calls that "Hibernate" (when I am not mistaken.)

Not used hibernate for a long time since on my main machine that mode always failed… but maybe with Porteus 5.0 finale version the hibernate mode finally also works on my Toshiba Satellite…

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Post#3 by kultex » 02 Sep 2022, 19:51

Both laptops are about the same age - just 1 year difference, but CPU Celeron N3050 vs. i7-7600U and price is quite a big difference

The Acer Aspire Acer R11 (R3-131T-C2VX) I bought in April 2016 new for 160.- € - it replaced my Portege R100 from 2004 as daily working machine running SliTaz linux - the R100 is still in use as my theater lighting laptop - Win XP of course with no connection to the internet - 18 years now - the price was extraordinary - 4000€

The Portege X30 https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Tosh ... 002.0.html i bought used in Februar 2020 (broken fan) replaced my Macbook Air 11" 2009 - is for cutting audio plays and the theatrer video laptop

I guess the difference is the powerconsumption of CPU

and I can see when windows uses sleep and hibernation - withh sleep a small led blinks - with hibernation ist off - the problem are the 10 hours - windows uses here hybrid mode - it starts with sleep and then switches to hiibernation - I have to finde out when (I have to watch the laptop every hour....

OSX uses about 1% in 10 hours....

In one performance, there is a macbook air 2012 with win and OSX - when I have time, I will check this one.....

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Post#4 by Ed_P » 02 Sep 2022, 21:18

kultex wrote:
31 Aug 2022, 13:12
upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
How did you find the name of your battery?

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guest@porteus:~$ upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
  native-path:          (null)
  power supply:         no
  updated:              Wed 31 Dec 1969 07:00:00 PM EST (1662153408 seconds ago)
  has history:          no
  has statistics:       no
  unknown
    warning-level:       unknown
    battery-level:       unknown
    percentage:          0% (should be ignored)
    icon-name:          '(null)'

guest@porteus:~$
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Post#5 by Rava » 03 Sep 2022, 00:36

kultex wrote:
02 Sep 2022, 19:51
and I can see when windows uses sleep and hibernation - withh sleep a small led blinks - with hibernation ist off - the problem are the 10 hours - windows uses here hybrid mode - it starts with sleep and then switches to hiibernation
I think that might be a large part of the better performance (less battery consumption) of W10 compared to Linux.

Did you try using hibernation on Porteus from the get-go?
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Post#6 by kultex » 03 Sep 2022, 07:45

@Ed_P
you can use also upower -i `upower -e | grep 'BAT'` - I prefere the other one, because with this ´``´ I am always wrong - normally its either BAT0 or BAT1

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Linux is better than Windows on running desktop, but sleep is a bit strange.....

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Post#7 by Rava » 03 Sep 2022, 07:56

kultex wrote:
03 Sep 2022, 07:45
Linux is better than Windows on running desktop, but sleep is a bit strange.....
Do you mean hibernate won't work?

Like I wrote above, many hardware manufacturers do not give needed info to the free software community so we have issues in creating the needed drivers and whatnot to fully support a hardware.,
It still can be done via reverse engineering - like it was done with the NTFS drivers - but that takes lots of work as you can imagine.
And when that lack of info is the reason, I only see the blame with the hardware manufacturers - since giving away a few specs is not hurting them and the free software community does all the work for free anyway. (as in freedom and beer)
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Post#8 by kultex » 03 Sep 2022, 11:04

@Rava

no - hibernation will work with Porteus 5.0 - also hybrid-hibernation (I have seen it in the shut down menu) - but I am still thinking where to put swap. I dont want swap on the USB Stick - I dont want it on the internal ssd, because I want to use the Portege X30 at least another 5 years...

So I think I will make a 32 GB Micro SD with 100 MB/s reading into both laptops - one is 5€ so if it crashes, I dont care.....

and this has to go to grub.cfg resume=UUID=<UUID OF THE SWAP-PARTITION> - and maybe this must be an extra entry - like

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menuentry "Porteus-v5.0-x86_64 - RESUME" {
set gfxpayload=keep
linux /boot/syslinux/vmlinuz changes=porteus resume=UUID=<UUID OF THE SWAP-PARTITION>
initrd /boot/syslinux/initrd.xz
}
but this I will not try before Oktober.... lack of time....

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Post#9 by Rava » 03 Sep 2022, 11:44

kultex wrote:
03 Sep 2022, 11:04
So I think I will make a 32 GB Micro SD with 100 MB/s reading into both laptops - one is 5€ so if it crashes, I dont care.....
That's a good idea indeed, I presume you will use an external USB reader, or does your notebook have a really quick 100 MB/s card slot? (Usually the card slots are sloooow)

I had no idea the prices did sink so low in the last 1 1/2 years.
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Post#10 by kultex » 03 Sep 2022, 14:46

I have no idea, if my SD slot is quick or not

I have the presumption, that Porteus is not using Suspend to RAM - only Suspend to Idle

There is no pm-utils - also I dont find one with slapt-get

Does anybody know, how I can check this?

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Post#11 by beny » 03 Sep 2022, 15:09

upower -i `upower -e | grep 'BAT'`
find /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/ -type f | xargs -tn1 cat
the BAT0 may vary you have to know with the first command the bat name in my notebook is BAT1 and the second one is the core
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Post#12 by Ed_P » 03 Sep 2022, 16:16

kultex wrote:
03 Sep 2022, 07:45
@Ed_P
you can use also upower -i `upower -e | grep 'BAT'` - I prefere the other one, because with this ´``´ I am always wrong - normally its either BAT0 or BAT1
That works. :good:

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guest@porteus:~$  upower -i `upower -e | grep 'BAT'`
  native-path:          BAT0
  vendor:               COM
  model:                DELL 927N516
  serial:               1195
  power supply:         yes
  updated:              Sat 03 Sep 2022 11:45:09 AM EDT (56 seconds ago)
  has history:          yes
  has statistics:       yes
  battery
    present:             yes
    rechargeable:        yes
    state:               discharging
    warning-level:       none
    energy:              17.235 Wh
    energy-empty:        0 Wh
    energy-full:         30.1837 Wh
    energy-full-design:  40.995 Wh
    energy-rate:         7.25625 W
    voltage:             11.184 V
    time to empty:       2.4 hours
    percentage:          57%
    capacity:            73.6279%
    technology:          lithium-polymer
    icon-name:          'battery-good-symbolic'
  History (rate):
    1662219909	7.256	discharging

guest@porteus:~$
So basically my BAT is 0 not 1. I tried upower --help and most of the options last night but not the -e one. :hammer:
beny wrote:
03 Sep 2022, 15:09
upower -i `upower -e | grep 'BAT'`
This option works also beny. :happy62:
beny wrote:
03 Sep 2022, 15:09
find /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/ -type f | xargs -tn1 cat
And so does this one but with a whole lot more output. :o

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guest@porteus:~$ find /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/ -type f | xargs -tn1 cat
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/uevent
POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=BAT0
POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=Battery
POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Discharging
POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=1
POWER_SUPPLY_TECHNOLOGY=Li-poly
POWER_SUPPLY_CYCLE_COUNT=0
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_MIN_DESIGN=11250000
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=11012000
POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=907000
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN=3644000
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=2683000
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=1281000
POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=47
POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY_LEVEL=Normal
POWER_SUPPLY_MODEL_NAME=DELL 927N516
POWER_SUPPLY_MANUFACTURER=COM
POWER_SUPPLY_SERIAL_NUMBER=1195
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_full_design
3644000
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/serial_number
1195
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/technology
Li-poly
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/current_now
907000
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_now
1281000
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/present
1
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/power/runtime_active_time
0
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/power/runtime_status
unsupported
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/power/autosuspend_delay_ms
cat: /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/power/autosuspend_delay_ms: Input/output error
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/power/runtime_suspended_time
0
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/power/control
auto
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/manufacturer
COM
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/type
Battery
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_full
2683000
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/capacity
47
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/cycle_count
0
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/voltage_now
11012000
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/status
Discharging
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/alarm
364000
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/model_name
DELL 927N516
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/voltage_min_design
11250000
cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/capacity_level
Normal
guest@porteus:~$ 
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kultex wrote:
03 Sep 2022, 11:04
I am still thinking where to put swap. I dont want swap on the USB Stick - I dont want it on the internal ssd, because I want to use the Portege X30 at least another 5 years...

So I think I will make a 32 GB Micro SD with 100 MB/s reading into both laptops - one is 5€ so if it crashes, I dont care.....
A very interesting idea. :happy62:
kultex wrote:
03 Sep 2022, 11:04
this has to go to grub.cfg resume=UUID=<UUID OF THE SWAP-PARTITION>
If Porteus is using a swap file wouldn't it know to resume using it automatically?
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Post#13 by kultex » 03 Sep 2022, 17:58

@Ed_P

no - I tried in the very beginnin with an old stick an a 10 GB swap and it did not resume

same story with pm-suspend - 4% in 2 hours - I have tested it with MX-Linux, where pm-utils are included....

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Post#14 by Rava » 03 Sep 2022, 20:39

kultex wrote:
03 Sep 2022, 14:46
There is no pm-utils
That was removed for the current solution.

Could be what is currently used lacks some functionality - I presume it lacks the functionality you need - or the current solution addresses that functionality in a different way, but I am not knowledgeable enough to give you the needed heads up on that.
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Post#15 by kultex » 25 Nov 2022, 14:25

Just an update - this high energy rate in suspend mode is because of using Porteus in USB frugal mode - the problem was, that Ubuntu Studio was installed on the HD and had the same power consumption, than running Porteus from the stick. Because of this, I thought this is a Linux Kernel problem.

I doubled the size of the the HD and use now AV-Linux from the HD and have "Windows" similar power consumption in suspend. The liquorix kernel from AV-Linux has the same power consumption ins suspend like the normal MX Kernel - the 6.0 MX Kernel has with 5,916 W the lowest energy-rate for ideling dektop I have seen for my Portege Laptop

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 AV Linux MX Edition

$ uname -r
5.19.0-14.1-liquorix-amd64
$  upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
  native-path:          BAT1
  updated:              Mi 23 Nov 2022 22:57:33 (2 seconds ago)
    energy:              25,068 Wh
    energy-empty:        0 Wh
    energy-full:         31,053 Wh
    energy-full-design:  47,88 Wh
    percentage:          80%

$ upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
  updated:              Do 24 Nov 2022 08:49:13 (2 seconds ago)
    energy:              23,643 Wh
    percentage:          76%

--------------------------------------------------------------

with normal 6.0 Kernel lowest energy-rate
   energy-rate:         5,916 W
   
$ uname -r          6.0.0-4mx-amd64

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