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Post#91 by fulalas » 12 Jun 2018, 23:42

@donald, the module taking less space is not an advantage for the developers. Quite the opposite! It's easy to create a fat distro like Ubuntu family. It's hard to create a distro like TinyCore, regardless of what you prefer. So having just what is needed to work means being faster and consuming less memory at the user side. You may not be interested in that, but this is one of the main focus of Porteus: being lightweight and fast :) Of course, the idea of being minimalist should not break things. At least that's what we've been trying, and that's why we opened a release candidate for the public so we could hear your feedback before releasing the final release -- which, of course, will contain some bugs, since this is how softwares work.

When you say there's no sense in 'changes only for the sake of change without real improvement', I totally agree. However, the world is not just our subjective opinion, so what's an improvement for you could be a regression for others, and vice-versa. Try to think through other perspectives :good:

BTW, I'm delegating some of the issues you reported to a friend of mine. Could you please describe with detail all the issues you've found inside Porteus 4 bug topic? Thanks!

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Post#92 by n0ctilucient » 13 Jun 2018, 00:32

Philosopher mode on...
It's hard to create a distro like TinyCore
It's even harder to create one like Alpine Linux which is comparably small but built like an
armed fortress (Porteus "seems" to prefer "security through denial" instead of hardening).

Ok... that was my 2 cents, now it's back to the salt mines for me ;)
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Post#93 by donald » 13 Jun 2018, 11:12

fulalas wrote:
12 Jun 2018, 23:42
..we opened a release candidate for the public so we could hear your feedback before releasing the final release
Yep, and the issues have been reported but were obviously,silently ignored.
fulalas wrote:
12 Jun 2018, 23:42
@donald, ...one of the main focus of Porteus: being lightweight and fast...
There is a 3rd point:
being useable / userfriendly for anyone - beginners included.

....and then we got MPV...which is not userfriendly by any means.
1) There is no UI to make/change settings - I would not expect a user
to search for and learn the syntax of how changes can be made to MPV
and to tinker with *.conf files. That's not what I would call "userfriendly"

2) MPV does not play movie DVDs because MPV can not use the libdvdcss.
even with the syntax which is supposed to work/play DVDs
mpv dvdread://[WHATEVER]
gives:
....not supported or disabled at compile time.

All of those was possible/ easy to do with what we have in 3.2.2
...improvement?, no, it's regression...

some other issues are (now) listed here:
Mission, goals and mean: working toward a better porteus (Post by donald #65087)

Solution "find files/foders" UI
open a terminal and type pfilesearch

Solution "Get / Compare md5sum"
create a thunar custom action /opt/porteus-scripts/context-menu/clipsum %f

Solution mousepad
install gtksourceview-2.10.5 and copy over the mousepad binary
shipped with 3.2.2

Regarding the icon and / or panel disaster..
To recommend to install an additional Icon theme, which pulls in thousands
of files, is no solution at all to what should have worked in the first place.

A user, me included, does not care that much for the module size but he/she
cares for what is visible on the monitor.
If it's not working (s)he may register and report, or simply (quietly)
switch to something else.

Please note that most of the problems mentioned do not occur
in porteus 3.2.2 - so where exactly is the improvement from
the user's point of view?

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Post#94 by Ed_P » 13 Jun 2018, 14:26

donald wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 11:12
Yep, and the issues have been reported but were obviously,silently ignored.
I suspect overlooked or forgotten rather than ignored.
donald wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 11:12
....and then we got MPV...which is not userfriendly by any means.
1) There is no UI to make/change settings - I would not expect a user
to search for and learn the syntax of how changes can be made to MPV
and to tinker with *.conf files. That's not what I would call "userfriendly"
But that's how some users learn and they feel proud when they have accomplished something. And they meet the friendly members of the forum. And they grow to like Porteus more and more.
donald wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 11:12
If it's not working (s)he may register and report, or simply (quietly)
switch to something else.
Well, there are a lot of other Porteus DEs to choose from. I tried several, including XFCE, and stayed with one that I liked. Have you tried Cinnamon?
donald wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 11:12
Please note that most of the problems mentioned do not occur
in porteus 3.2.2 - so where exactly is the improvement from
the user's point of view?
If a user has a system that works for them and that they like why would they change?

But I agree when upgrading to a newer release of something it's reasonable to expect all the same functionality minus the shortcomings.
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Post#95 by donald » 13 Jun 2018, 17:43

Ed_P wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 14:26
I suspect overlooked or forgotten rather than ignored.
Always think positive. :) ...but no:
Mission, goals and mean: working toward a better porteus (Post by donald #65024)
Ed_P wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 14:26
But that's how some users learn and they feel proud when they have accomplished something. And they meet the friendly members of the forum. And they grow to like Porteus more and more.
I think (most?) Users who have problems with MPV will think ... WTF ... and install VLC
(another big size module)
Ed_P wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 14:26
...Have you tried Cinnamon?
Cinnamon?..not for me, XFCE only..
Ed_P wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 14:26
If a user has a system that works for them and that they like why would they change?
maybe because of fixed security flaws in newer package versions?.. :happy62:

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Post#96 by n0ctilucient » 13 Jun 2018, 22:04

maybe because of fixed security flaws in newer package versions?
So true. :good:
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Post#97 by fulalas » 14 Jun 2018, 04:54

@donald, don't get me wrong, but if in your opinion Porteus 4 has no advantage over 3.2.2, why don't you keep using 3.2.2 instead?

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Post#98 by Ed_P » 14 Jun 2018, 18:49

fulalas wrote:
14 Jun 2018, 04:54
@donald, don't get me wrong, but if in your opinion Porteus 4 has no advantage over 3.2.2, why don't you keep using 3.2.2 instead?
I think he already answered that.
donald wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 17:43
maybe because of fixed security flaws in newer package versions?.. :happy62:
Any security flaws fixed in the 4.0 version?
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Post#99 by donald » 14 Jun 2018, 19:40

Ed_P wrote:
14 Jun 2018, 18:49
Any security flaws fixed in the 4.0 version?
I have not checked in detail which of the new files are already
built in in 4.0.
Take a look:
http://www.slackware.com/security/list. ... ity&y=2018
and
http://www.slackware.com/security/list. ... ity&y=2017

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Post#100 by fulalas » 15 Jun 2018, 09:05

Here's a Xfce module for you to test the Mousepad theme: http://www.mediafire.com/file/2327wm9c5 ... e-test.xzm

Regarding the Mpv not being able to open DVDs, have you tried to drag the VIDEO_TS folder to it? You can jump to the chapter you want on the bottom left.

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Post#101 by donald » 15 Jun 2018, 11:16

fulalas wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 09:05
Here's a Xfce module for you to test...
Thanks, Mousepad now uses its color schemes correctly.. :good:
If you need some styles files i could upload a zip file containing a pile of them.
fulalas wrote:
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...have you tried to drag the VIDEO_TS folder to it?
Yep,
MPV then automatically shifts through all VOB files (and exits then)
but can't display any.
Imo MPV does not use the libdvdcss which is needed to play the DVD.
libdvdcss is not shipped with porteus,(legal reasons?).
You have to download (USM) and activate this lib.
But even then it does not work.
Normally, libdvdread integrates libdvdcss if available.

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Post#102 by ncmprhnsbl » 15 Jun 2018, 13:21

donald wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 11:16
libdvdcss is not shipped with porteus,(legal reasons?).
You have to download (USM) and activate this lib.
this might be an occasion when you need to get a package directly from current (or build it)
possibly: https://slackonly.com/pub/packages/curr ... slonly.txz
so that it matches libdvdread... maybe? (if you hadn't already tried that)
(i think it's actually the other way around, in that libdvdcss is an(optional) build dependency of libdvdread, but build matching might still apply)
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Post#103 by n0ctilucient » 15 Jun 2018, 15:14

MPV does not use the libdvdcss
That's why I use Xine ...
http://slakfinder.org/show.php?pkg=1406632

In the US libdvdcss is legal under Fair use law.

Basically that means... you have permission to decode
(an display privately and/or copy) your property only.

So it is " Bootleg recording " and " Theft of services " and
also distribution that is taboo. These are called... "larceny".

I always buy what I rip so I can create my own
private archive. That's why I don't need Netflix.

The other reason I use Xine is because my frontend does NOT use Gtk/Qt :oops:
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Post#104 by donald » 15 Jun 2018, 17:26

@ ncmprhnsbl
Yep, this is the version i used. (libdvdcss-1.4.0-x86_64-2_slonly)

This might be a hint:

Configuration Options
===> The following configuration options are available for libdvdread-6.0.0:
DVDCSS=on: Encrypted DVD support via libdvdcss
===> Use 'make config' to modify these settings

may be this was not set at compile time??

@ n0ctilucient
In theory we here in Germany have the right to make a copy (backup)
of our property for private use....BUT...this law has an appendix:
"..if you do not circumvent (any kind of) copy protection"..

A simple lettering on the packaging, "this CD / DVD is copy protected"
and we are not allowed to copy (legally)..LOL

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Post#105 by n0ctilucient » 15 Jun 2018, 18:06

:o I guess that means... a knock on your door in the middle of the night.
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