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Re: Module Reserve

Post#46 by Bogomips » 12 Mar 2017, 16:34

francois wrote:Porteus could not be a portable distribution and a full-blown distribution at the same time, unless this is managed with an efficient package manager and a large pasture which is clearly found under debian or ubuntu. Arch linux or manjaro could be contenders, but the rolling distribution nature and the obligation to go for AUR to have an equivalent pasture, makes it a less attractive option.

This is why I would rather go for:

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This topic is only concerned with alleviating the situation in the here and now. I am only concerned with the here and now.

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Re: Module Reserve

Post#47 by Evan » 13 Mar 2017, 00:05

brokenman wrote: But this not merely an idea. It has already been implemented in the last few versions of Porteus. Tried and tested. The different desktops in porteus have also been catered for. You simply open a console as root and type: bundles

If there is not a particular bundle available for a particular desktop then someone needs to make it, but how is this any different to the current system? At least with bundles everything is available right from the console. Square one in this case is a square where everything is available right from the console as opposed to having to go hunting.
I obviously didn't understand what was trying to be achieved..............

I wrongly thought that a bunch of scattered jigsaw pieces with parts missing were going to be replaced with a single box full of jigsaw pieces with parts missing as a fix to a problem.

My apologies to Bogomips for cluttering and sidetracking the thread.

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Re: Module Reserve

Post#48 by brokenman » 13 Mar 2017, 02:19

I guess what I envision with bundles is a box full of jigsaws fully made. You open the box and pull out the already made jigsaw puzzle with all pieces in place. No fun for jigsaw enthusiasts, but less work for those that don't like solving puzzles.
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Re: Module Reserve

Post#49 by Ed_P » 13 Mar 2017, 04:22

brokenman wrote:but less work for those that don't like solving puzzles.
I thought that was the purpose of USM. It determines the machine's architecture, the module's dependencies and builds a functional module.
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Re: Module Reserve

Post#50 by Bogomips » 13 Mar 2017, 15:11

^ IMHO at the moment USM has resource limitations, and we just have to work within those limitations. :twisted:
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Re: Module Reserve

Post#51 by Evan » 14 Mar 2017, 00:21

I'm not trying to continuously be pessimistic and shoot the idea down in flames as i think it's a great idea , ( from what i can understand :D ) and i know you're only interested in the here and now but for the amount of time ,effort and bandwidth i just can't see how it can be practical for the long term to make the short term effort worth while that anyone can stay on top of it.

Even if you set down some ground rules from the start that the only modules that get added to the reserve are either universal or there is a separate modules for each 32/64 bit desktop ( so that there are no pieces missing ) then what happens when there is a major kernel , library dependency change or the next slackware release?

Is someone going to keep going through the reserve and re-build all the modules or just wait for people to complain that they don't work and then they are left broken as we already have now with VLC in bundles, and that's not a large reserve just a few files that there doesn't seem to be time to fix?

Or do you have to keep re-starting the reserve from afresh while keeping the old reserve for those that have not upgraded?

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Re: Module Reserve

Post#52 by Bogomips » 14 Mar 2017, 01:12

^ If there's one thing I've learnt, it is that computing is ephemeral, so we cross that bridge when we come to it. 8)
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Re: Module Reserve

Post#53 by francois » 14 Mar 2017, 02:00

USM has resource limitations
usm is a wonderfull tool! :)

Slackware does not move to a new version very often. We might do two years with those bundles. 8)
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Re: Module Reserve

Post#54 by Evan » 29 Mar 2017, 23:30

Somewhat unusual that we suddenly have new users that have never used the forum before contributing modules from Google drive?

Not that i'm accusing them of wrong doing but has anyone with security technical skills checked these files as both messengers and remote desktops are notorious for infecting Linux users with trojans and bank stealing maleware?

I bring this up as another concern about the module reserve being a point of weakness when it comes to security to the point of being reckless unless some tough ground rules are setup. :unknown:

Public contributed modules have always been a concern from that point of view but at least you can see how long people have been a member and built a trust from their forum usage and skill set, but a bunch of unchecked files sitting in a (free for all) reserve with no backlog or history that can be retraced is just asking for trouble.

When it comes to a small project like Porteus you have to be protective (even if it borders on paranoid) because if you lose reputation and trust then people just leave and stop donating money that's hard to come back from.

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Re: Module Reserve

Post#55 by Bogomips » 30 Mar 2017, 10:23

^ No sign of any new user offering a bundle. :Search:
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Re: Module Reserve

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Re: Module Reserve

Post#57 by Bogomips » 30 Mar 2017, 11:06

^ Modules and not bundles. Bundles need to observe bundle format.
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Re: Module Reserve

Post#58 by Evan » 30 Mar 2017, 11:48

:shock: Image

So Porteus module security doesn't matter unless someone decides to call it a bundle and the way its named makes it secure?

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