kde5 is it too early in development to use?

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kde5 is it too early in development to use?

Post#1 by francois » 02 Jul 2016, 14:13

kde5, is it too early in development to use? What do you think about this issue?

Major distributions have moved to kde5, manjaro is the exception continuing with kde4. In contrast, Arch linux has moved in with kde5. Is this the right choice?
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Re: kde5 is it too early in development to use?

Post#2 by Bogomips » 02 Jul 2016, 15:21

kde5 looks good, but it is heavy on memory. At the moment it takes up 20% of my aufs. At the moment cannot run any browser on it without risking a hd thrash freeze. Tried vivaldi, light, opera. Opera is good for one tab, but the moment a website takes it upon itself to open a second one, get to freeze up. The other browsers mentioned just gulp up memory. hvr is an ultra lightweight browser I would like to use, but at the moment there is an old kde bug preventing this. :( Maybe will have more luck with the 14.2 SeaMonkey.
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Re: kde5 is it too early in development to use?

Post#3 by wread » 05 Jul 2016, 01:21

Definitely no! Kde5 is ready for everyday's production. I run it without complain! I have it on Slackware current and Kde5 current.
The fact that it must run in a mixed environment qt4 (now unsupported) and qt5 makes it heavier as other desktops. But with every update, more applications are ported to qt5 and it is not far the day when ALL apps that use qt will go to 5 and the kde5 desktop will be leaner. Obviously without nepomuk, soprano and volks...

Qt5 appears to be sharper and faster in its graphics; it uses xcb instead of Xlib.

At the moment, on 64 bits, I don't aim at getting a super compact OS that cannot run this or that application. My 003-kde5 is a directory, not a module; by monthly updates, I prefer to first test it with modules within 003-kde5.

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Re: kde5 is it too early in development to use?

Post#4 by francois » 05 Jul 2016, 04:06

I have tried fanthom's kde4 porteus 3.1 edition on brokenman's porteus 3.2. It will load with some bugs. Mainly the impossibility to move the windows around, and the overlap of some windows over other. For example, if a window is open, it will be impossible to see the content of the kde panel menu.

@wread:
As expert with kde, I thought that you could fix fanthom's kde4 so that it could work on porteus 3.2. In fact, I would be glad to follow the steps you would take to do so on a thread exactly on that topic. Surely, others too.

What do you answer to bogomips who says he is unable to run a web browser on kde5? What could be the problem according to you?
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Re: kde5 is it too early in development to use?

Post#5 by wread » 05 Jul 2016, 12:17

@francois
I don't understand exactly what is the problem. I guess you will get a fine kde5 if you copy my 003-kde5 to your system (text in blue):

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My Kde5 runs on an USB 8GB with 2 partitions, vfat for boot and ext4 for porteus; 003-kde5 is 372 MB, but it behaves wonderfully...

Do exactly as above and you won't miss it! After is is running ok, you can make a 003-kde5.xzm and that's it :)
If you need some help, i.e. modified modules for Porteus (those with wre or wread suffix), just tell me and I will share those modules.

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Re: kde5 is it too early in development to use?

Post#6 by francois » 05 Jul 2016, 13:05

@wread:
I have reformated your post so that it would take less place.

OK for kde5. Alas these comments of yours do not solve the problem practically, in the way that your structure has to be compared to brokenman's, which provide a lighter kde5 module. Why don't you join us on the rc development to work on that particular issue of kde5 or on others related to kde5? Maybe a techmoical thread could be opened on the topic.

For kde4 3.1, do you have any suggestion? I have the impression that you did not caught my point. Kde4 is really compact and comes with a useful serie of packages.
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Re: kde5 is it too early in development to use?

Post#7 by Jack » 05 Jul 2016, 15:20

I just learn something from wread today on his build with kde5. Now I going to try it. Thanks wread for the info.
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Re: kde5 is it too early in development to use?

Post#8 by Bogomips » 05 Jul 2016, 15:46

@ wread
Would be interested to see what cat /proc/cmdline looks like.
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Re: kde5 is it too early in development to use?

Post#9 by wread » 05 Jul 2016, 23:01

@Bogomips
root@porteus:~# cat /proc/cmdline
quiet \boot\syslinux\vmlinuz from=/dev/sdb2 nomagic login=root initrd=boot\syslinux\initrd.xz
root@porteus:~#
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Re: kde5 is it too early in development to use?

Post#10 by francois » 03 Aug 2016, 15:42

It seems that you are right wread, kde5 is ready according to alien bob
http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/
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