The future of Porteus

New features which should be implemented in Porteus; suggestions are welcome. All questions or problems with testing releases (alpha, beta, or rc) should go in their relevant thread here, rather than the Bug Reports section.
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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#271 by roadie » 27 Jan 2016, 23:21

@aus9

When killermenpl said "For me it's just more work to get to where Slackware Porteus is right now."....I took it as meaning that all the helper gui's aren't in Nemesis yet...Porteus Settings Center, that kinda thing....the eye candy.

Nobody is pushing agendas, just sharing opinions and wants. Hell, I very much doubt that brokenman is going to do anything except what he's capable of maintaining in the long term...he's said as much.

And, lets face it, if you're used to Porteus, Nemesis does present a learning curve....maybe killermenpl was thinking in those terms. I just don't see anything here.

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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#272 by Ed_P » 27 Jan 2016, 23:55

aus9 wrote:I am tired of seeing people push their agendas and believe they can say something and not accept the consequences of their actions.
You looking in a mirror? :D You push Nemesis constantly, and sometimes almost aggressively. It's human nature to pick sides, have likes and dislikes, etc. It's also nice to be able to share those likes and dislikes with others and have others share their likes and dislikes with you. It's part of being human.
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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#273 by Ed_P » 28 Jan 2016, 00:14

brokenman wrote: I am thinking from a point of view of reconstructing something, designing a system with a single goal in mind. To minimize future maintenance so that I can sustain the workload for a prolonged period. Burning out is another option I guess.
I think we are all thinking about you Jay and your efforts and time and potential burnout and maybe expressing our concerns wrong. Maintaining a system that doesn't update often would seem to be easier to support and take less of your time and efforts and therefore not burn you out verses a system that updates constantly which implies updating to fix bugs and shortcomings.

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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#274 by killermenpl » 28 Jan 2016, 00:22

brokenman wrote:
I agree. It is easier to fix a car than build a new one. Same can be said for a house, a road, a toilet, etc.
Again, you are looking at this from the view of a user, that doesn`t have to build (and maintain) said car, house, toilet. They just receive this new distro and start using it. From my point of view, I would rather build a new car while keeping the future in my mind, so that I never have to touch that car again. It will run forever without my minimal intervention. Wouldn't that be more favourable (from my point of view) than fixing that old car you spoke of, again, and again and then again when some broken part gets upgraded. Have you any idea at all of the amount of work involved? Believe me when I say that if you could invest the time to build something from the ground up, with the intention of minimizing workload in the future, you should do it. That applies to a house, car or toilet.
Makes sense. Now that you put it that way it looks to be the most logical thing to do. I did read through first 3-4 pages of this topic and they were mostly people arguing about systemd, which (according to quick Google search) is supposed to be better, but it is somehow connected to Microsoft and negates some Linux concepts(?). Correct me if I'm wrong in that statement.

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I really appreciate how yo helped me with Wi-Fi in my thread. When I was talking about "getting Nemesis to where Porteus is right now" I meant the settings centre and save.dat creator, not drivers and kernel. I was not pushing any agendas. I actually wanted someone to prove me wrong, and @brokenman did. Never have I ever lied to you. At least intentionally. Maybe I wrote my sentences in a way that would suggest something different then I wanted to tell.

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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#275 by brokenman » 28 Jan 2016, 00:48

Keep your hats on. I don't believe anyone intended to offend anyone else. No titles will be stripped or hands spanked. We are all free to speak our minds, and this is encouraged. Please do so without any personal attacks. These will not be tolerated.
1. When will the next Nemesis be release?
2. How soon will there be a Mate version?
3. Can I use the current version and add Mate and dependency like I would add any other program?
1. Probably not for a week or two. I will start a thread asking for certain feedback on v3.5 and how it can e improved.
2. At the moment there is lxde and kde. I am not sure what desktops people prefer. mate, cinnamon, gnome? I will ask in the thread mentioned in point 1.
3. Yes. I encourage you to try. Do so from the xfce4 version and just do pman mate (or whatever the package is called). Read the mate arch wiki.
Maintaining a system that doesn't update often would seem to be easier to support and take less of your time and efforts and therefore not burn you out verses a system that updates constantly which implies updating to fix bugs and shortcomings.
Ok I understand this view point. Stability is one of slackware's strong points. One of the main points against slackware in some of the latest threads is exactly that it (slackware stable) doesn't update often. Moore's law is taking it's toll.
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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#276 by Jack » 28 Jan 2016, 01:58

All,

All this is just my $0.02 cent below. But it is how I feel about it.

How I feel about Nemesis it like Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, openSUSE and there more. With all of those you can upgrade and install packages from a list. They take the fun out of learning about Linux. If I pick one of them I won't need to learn much cause to upgrade click on the upgrade button or to install a program just pick it from a list. One last thing this forum was smooth before Nemesis came out. If anything brokenman should have kept it a secret tell it was all most done.

For me I use Porteus 3.1 Mate and been over a year since any upgrade but it still works and it is small. I think the Porteus team has done a great job with Porteus (Slackware) and I think been real stable. I been waiting for the next Porteus (Slackware) release when and if brokenman will do it, but if not what ever he release will be great. I have learn a lot from the Porteus forum member.

Remember this how I feel.

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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#277 by brokenman » 29 Feb 2016, 02:13

Thanks for your feedback everyone. The decision has been made to go with slackware for at least another release while another strategy is decided upon. There are certain aspects of a rolling release that impact our modular design in a major way. Since this thread was started slackware has released a 14.2 beta and I believe a final release is imminent.

I will release a beta for people to test as soon as I can get the main desktops polished. Thanks to all and especially to those that have been helping me with testing betas.
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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#278 by Ed_P » 29 Feb 2016, 03:49

I believe you have made the right choice at this point brokenman. And we will all support you.
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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#279 by tzok » 29 Feb 2016, 21:06

I'm not a great Linux fan. In my everyday work I use mainly Windows. However I have used Slax, and then switched to Porteus, as a lightweight recovery platform. Actually I still use Porteus 3.0 x86 with the LXDE desktop. Tools I need to have are web browser (I prefer Firefox), dc3dd or dcfldd, gparted, dmde, smartctl, and fdisk. I need it to be light (preferably under 200MB) and run on 10+ year old machines. Another feature which I like in Porteus is support for a variety of WiFi cards.
Slackware is a classic Linux, often seen as Linux for pros and IT geeks (aside with Gentoo and PLD). It is raw, but fast. On the other hand, as a synonym of reliable Linux platform I always consider Debian. Probably most other Linux newbies - if they have any experience with Linux it was either Debian or Ubuntu. Arch Linux is even more exotic than Slackware. So in my opinion - if you were about to switch to other distro it should be Debian, but I don't thing this would allow to keep Porteus light enough.

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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#280 by francois » 02 Mar 2016, 19:10

Maybe the exotism and the having to learn something is something that we still are looking for. There is arch linux and arch linux type (manjaro). Same basic distribution, but completely different philosophy. Here in porteus forum stand more on the manjaro side in terms of mission, but we really admire the arch linux accomplishment.

As an arch linux connoisseur, if you have a solution to the rolling release problem associated with arch linux or manjaro, it would be appreciated:
viewtopic.php?f=137&t=5465&p=42883#p42883
viewtopic.php?f=137&t=5066

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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#281 by claude » 08 Mar 2016, 16:26

Thank God.....Please stay with Slackware, brokenman. This is the reason I became a Porteus user, Slackware
in a compact, wonderfully useful, live CD distribution.
THANKS...

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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#282 by francois » 08 Mar 2016, 20:22

You wish has been realised. Quote brokenman, the preceding post:
The decision has been made to go with slackware for at least another release while another strategy is decided upon
and even further:
viewtopic.php?f=81&t=5602

I maintain that manjaro or arch linux as base for porteus has interesting advantages. :wink:
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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#283 by Bogomips » 08 Mar 2016, 22:28

^ Bit off the mark! :twisted:
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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#284 by francois » 09 Mar 2016, 02:38

Edited. Is it any better?
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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#285 by Rava » 10 Mar 2016, 06:49

Good to hear we stay with Slackware for a while, while I downloaded Nemesis more than once, I was not able to try it due to having lost a monitor and not replaced it, meaning I am a PC short of playing around with and I prefer of having at least one running stable system. Well, stable with the downside of usm not working for unknown reason...
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