The future of Porteus

New features which should be implemented in Porteus; suggestions are welcome. All questions or problems with testing releases (alpha, beta, or rc) should go in their relevant thread here, rather than the Bug Reports section.
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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#151 by Bogomips » 27 Nov 2015, 11:39

tmsg wrote:Actually, it is debatable whether even a stable OS (let's remember here that OS stands for Operating System and not for Giant Collection of Apps) needs a big amount of pre-installed apps anyway. For me, one of the great attractions of Porteus is that it comes almost bare-bones (indeed, for my taste there's already too much "app stuff" in there).
IMHO we are talking distro here and not os. Distro needs sufficient apps preinstalled for one to give it a second look. On first coming to Porteus KDE, text editor was Kwrite, which I could make do with until I could replace it with Kate. As for browsers, there was Firefox, temporised with, then replaced with SeaMonkey, and finally with PaleMoon. As a user one just needs sufficient apps available in order to carry out one's daily tasks, and finding more later on came as a pleasant surprise, to wit the iso file editor. :good:
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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#152 by tmsg » 27 Nov 2015, 12:53

Bogomips wrote:
tmsg wrote:Actually, it is debatable whether even a stable OS (let's remember here that OS stands for Operating System and not for Giant Collection of Apps) needs a big amount of pre-installed apps anyway. For me, one of the great attractions of Porteus is that it comes almost bare-bones (indeed, for my taste there's already too much "app stuff" in there).
IMHO we are talking distro here and not os. Distro needs sufficient apps preinstalled for one to give it a second look.
Hm... not sure I agree. I'm old-skool and have always preferred to build my systems exactly as I wanted them. This, actually, is one reason why I've stuck so long with Windows... I know this OS in and out (having compiled my first Win16 app in the mid-80s). My productivity definitely will take a hit if I switched full-time to a Linux system (BTDT).

And as I said... if I really want a full-blown distro with all the stuff and kitchen sink I know where to look. There is certainly a niche (perhaps a significant niche) for, OK let's say, a VERY SMALL distro if the word OS is too loaded. Or rather, not loaded:-)

The way one clicks together one's own ISO on the Porteus website might be the way to go. Some get just the core, others add browser, office apps and what have you. Plus, as mentioned, a good repo system can take away a lot of pressure to include everything in the base distro.

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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#153 by aus9 » 27 Nov 2015, 22:31

Distro needs sufficient apps preinstalled for one to give it a second look
Bogomips....That is a matter of opinion and not a fact. In fact, its rare for me to agree with a Windows user but I have to agree with tmsg when he says he is not sure he agrees with you.
A Linux distribution (often called a distro for short) is an operating system made as a software collection based on the Linux kernel
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I don't have a problem with you asserting what apps/software you believe a distro needs to satisfy you, but the problem is the development team do not have sufficient staff to satisfy everyone without a huge cost to their time, alternative costs to learn things etc etc

It seems to me, one of the reasons why distros die is the dev team grow tired of attempting to respond to lots and lots of member requests. I share the blame here. :oops:

It may help if an experienced member here....re-write some material to make it more transparent on what ....say a Windows user can expect to get out of the new product=Nemesis. (Opinion alert) Most smallish distros suffer from poor or misleading documentation.

I am attracted to Nemesis due to its bootup speed, the flexibility to add/remove/config software but I also use a bloatware Linux distro and sleep quite well.

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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#154 by Ed_P » 27 Nov 2015, 22:47

Bogomips wrote:Distro needs sufficient apps preinstalled for one to give it a second look.
I agree, not a lot of apps but a sufficient number to keep the new user interested. Plus helpful admins like Porteus had when I, a Linux newbie, happened upon it. Patient, like a parent teaching a child to ride a bicycle. :) :friends:
aus9 wrote:I am attracted to Nemesis due to its bootup speed, the flexibility to add/remove/config software
The original Slackware Porteus is that way also.
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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#155 by Jack » 28 Nov 2015, 00:01

Hi all,

All the live Distro I check out so far Porteus beat them all. I like to use Porteus in ext4 and all the rest that can't be done. So I will use Porteus 3.1 (Mate) tell I can't anymore and that should be a long time from now.

I will update package when I need to. I think Firefox and flashplayer-plugin might be the only 2.

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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#156 by brokenman » 28 Nov 2015, 03:35

What are the minimum expected applications on a lightweight distro?

For me it would be:

browser (lynx or ff)
something to write in (leafpad)
media player (mplayer)
image viewer (gpicview)
screenshot
calculator
torrent client
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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#157 by Ed_P » 28 Nov 2015, 04:37

For me it would be:

browser (ff)
something to write in (leafpad)
media player (mplayer)
image viewer (gpicview)
screenshot
calculator
-plus-
Much hardware support: harddrives, USB, video, sound, networks
BIOS/UEFI/ISO booting support
GUI DE like RazorQT or LXQT
Network Manager with WiFi support
USM or something similar
Persistence capability
GUI File manager
-and-
VNC Viewer
GParted
Easy to adapt to
Great Admin support
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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#158 by ralcocer » 28 Nov 2015, 10:23

I think that for a live Distro either FF or Chrome are the way to go, they keep your settings and every time you log in all your history is loads, Since I run 3D printer software Python is a must plus GTK, some of the software refuses to work in KDE or LXQT, For writing I prefer Geany it works with everything also a good PDF writer/reader, Printer support, good Network support , Package Management, USM is Good but if you could make it work with RPM and DEB it will be better. most of the dependencies I get from either one of them. also one program per application for example I like VLC as an all purpose player also works with any platform, but not 3 applications to do the same thing, there a a lot more thing you can add to the Setting, so all you need is run it the first time you run Porteus, you can setup printer, Browser and other variables like replacing the Porteus name to the user's name, all in one neat screen. These are personal preferences I don't know if they work for everybody, I am using XFCE, LXQT didn't work for me.

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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#159 by Igor » 28 Nov 2015, 10:52

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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#160 by tmsg » 28 Nov 2015, 15:04

Igor wrote:Only a gui-frontend for Pacman (Pamac, Octopi) with wrapper (pman) in separate module. Nothing more. Nothing at all, Carl!
That's basically my stance as well.

Having said that, I'd be happy if the dev(s) throw(s) in a browser (in my case that would be Palemoon), a good editor (SciTE), complete development toolchain and a usable diff/sync tool (for me, kdiff3).

As to imageviewer I'd take XnViewMP with me (as this also works under Windows). For a calculator I'd try to get Kalkulon up and running. And so on...


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Re: The future of Porteus

Post#162 by roadie » 28 Nov 2015, 17:28

Igor wrote:Only a gui-frontend for Pacman (Pamac, Octopi) with wrapper (pman) in separate module. Nothing more. Nothing at all, Carl!
You can get almost anything you want with pacman, as you know, you can start with a console base and add whatever you want/need. It works for Arch, Slackware isn't quite as easy.

I never look at a distro that comes with 2 browsers, 3 text editors and 2-3 media apps...just wasted bandwidth for me. I also think it defeats the purpose of a live usb/cd distro. They were not designed for desktop usage, they're a distro you can carry in your pocket.

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Re: The future of Porteus

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Re: The future of Porteus

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