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Solved:libdesktop-agnostic/awn @ github

Post#1 by blue4meridian » 28 Aug 2015, 16:59

Salutations... :good:

Libdesktop-agnostic and Avant Window Navigator has been maintenance forked. :unknown:
https://github.com/p12tic/libdesktop-agnostic
https://github.com/p12tic/awn
I have repeatedly attempted to compile them with 'make' unsuccessfully... and the pkgs.org repo only has the old broken files. :wall:

Could someone compile them for me and post a link?

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Re: libdesktop-agnostic/awn @ github

Post#2 by Rava » 06 Sep 2015, 21:02

Could you post the error messages telling you why the compile failed? I think it's better to teach how how to compile... than do all the compiling for you.
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Re: libdesktop-agnostic/awn @ github

Post#3 by blue4meridian » 07 Sep 2015, 00:40

Salutations... :good:

I want to emphasize I totally appreciate and value your feedback... :wink:
However... to put things in context I recently raised the issue of the incoherence of this forum section.

If this is all about every man for himself (DIY) then the maintainers MUST :wall: (if they are honest with themselves)
change the title of this forum section to either "Module Suggestions" or they need to eliminate this section
in favor a "Module Tutorial" section to establish realistic expectations for those seeking solutions instead of favors.

In any case I will report back after I replicate the compiling problem.

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Re: libdesktop-agnostic/awn @ github

Post#4 by brokenman » 09 Sep 2015, 19:33

If there is a yawing gap between "Request" and accommodation the default title is coherently "Suggestion".
Renaming would completely resolve the issue because ALL expectation reasonable or not is moot.
Your suggestion of changing the name was considered. Personally I see no confusion at all in the title nor has anyone else in the history of the forum had any problem understanding the meaning. Keep in mind that English is my first language and I have high level qualifications in teaching said language. You simply 'request' a module and if someone has the time and knowledge they will compile it for you. If not then you respectfully accept that either nobody had the time, ability and/or interest in creating that particular module and move on. That's it.
Again... in regard to compiling that point was made in the context that it doesn't work for me.
I would like to repeat what somebody else asked. What exactly doesn't work for you? Can you supply an example of the error message? This is a rather important question. Before I even begin to try compiling this I would like a heads up on what errors I can expect to encounter. If the information is supplied and I don't have to waste what could potentially be hours compiling something just to discover for myself what the relevant error message is, then I will be happy to give this a crack. I like the idea of 'libdesktop-agnostic' but the very name makes me dubious. I see it ending in runaway dependency hell.

Lastly, please people, keep this on topic. Nobody wants to wade through pages of debating the subtle nuances of the meaning of a word. It is what it is and it stays.
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Re: libdesktop-agnostic/awn @ github

Post#5 by francois » 10 Sep 2015, 02:43

It seems that this will be a never ending discussion on how to improve modules or packages availability for porteus or slackware. Maybe we should fork this thread on that topic if you may. Or if we have an agreement the more conflictual part of the discussion be removed.

Modules requests heading seems to be appropriate to me. Alas, whether it be in this forum or in plain life, it is not because you make a request that you are necessarily automatically satisfied in your need.

Historically porteus has came a long way to provide its users with improved the availability of modules for porteus users. All we had at the begining was slackyd and this module request section. An interesting 2010 archive on the topic of modules availability that even traces back to slax-remix:
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=96
Hail to you brokenman, the father of usm. :wink: We will never be enough grateful.

A detailed analysis of the modules requests in this section could provide us with the ratio of requested to obtained modules. I don't know who would like to compile the information.

Personally, at the begining I used to make modules requests, with time felt dependent and tried to make some, got better at it. Realized that slack.build or building from source was a very interesting option. But also was faced with the fact that some of them where too much time consuming or impossible because of some missing prerequisites in porteus. I faced the the reality that slackware in terms of packages could not met the offer of debian, ubuntu or arch linux. Though it has other advantages.

@bluemeridian:
As it may benefit your module appetite, maybe you should help bogomips as a tester for his:
1) Script to make Slackware Compliant package of xz, deb
viewtopic.php?f=39&t=4577
2) pkgs.org dependencies solver:
viewtopic.php?f=75&t=4497

Or neko's Simple Package Manager for Debian type:
viewtopic.php?f=75&t=3216

And now neko's ArchLinux packages for Porteus:
viewtopic.php?f=75&t=4997
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Re: libdesktop-agnostic/awn @ github

Post#6 by blue4meridian » 11 Sep 2015, 19:50

Salutations... :good:

@ francois... you have given me much to consider. Your response is the one that actually resolves the issue.
This is because your solution is NOT... "DIY" :wall: or doing a favor (eg. "philanthropy"). :unknown:
Your solution (as always) is to point me to important resources.

I have been meditating on the point you have raised and have concluded that this is the solution.
http://webwarper.net/ww/~av/forum.porte ... 114&t=2386

I will now direct all my energy to this derivative because it is helping me to make great strides toward completing
the project (Porteus4/Cuda... eg. "supercomputing") that I have devoted enormous time (1 year?) and effort to finally finish.

Again thanx... francois for "helping" me (instead of doing me a "favor" or telling me "DIY")... :good:

Now I have a resource that gives me modules like...
Rubinius
PyPy

... and many other esoteric modules.

I strongly endorse this derivative because for months I have failed to integrate the Arch "filesystem" module.
I now realize the problem was that I was using a Slackware userland instead of an Arch one.

Best Regards... :beer:

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Re: libdesktop-agnostic/awn @ github

Post#7 by francois » 11 Sep 2015, 21:12

Porteus-archlinux derivative is an interesting setup. I am surprised that this often visited thread does not receive more commentaries. A few thanks to Stifiling should once and a while be mentioned. Especially if we want it to be maintained.
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Re: libdesktop-agnostic/awn @ github

Post#8 by blue4meridian » 11 Sep 2015, 23:47

Salutations... :good:

@ brokenman... because no one has ever raised this issue doesn't mean the issue doesn't raise questions.

Such as when the response in this and many other (so called) "Request Forums" to requests is a snarky "DIY" or philanthropic "doing favors". :wall:

Guests... Maintainers... Contributors... Developers... Members... Sponsors... Moderators... Advertisers... Donors...
Are all part of a community. Which means if any part of the food chain is missing you will at some point have a dead project.

So any naive notion of "favors" (philanthropy) is simplistic and shortsighted and on it's face it is nothing short of moot. :unknown:
The only "favor" (to themself) anyone should do in life is... to face the mirror and be honest with it. From that everything else follows.

What I am "questioning" is the apparent outcome I observe in this and many other distro forums over many years because this issue is universal.
And it's validity is proven by an almost universal yawing gap between request and accommodation regardless of distro.

As I have already stated killing the messenger is easier then killing the message. :wink:
And the message is... pioneers search for solutions and beggars search for favors. So let's make this a community of pioneers (or FAIL to).

The issue is NOT about language it is about intent. If the result (regardless of intent) is DIY or favors or sanction or mockery or shaming or to be ignored...
or everyone for him/herself then the default is incoherence. This doesn't happen with the Wishlist or the Module section because the default is clear.

The problem started when the response was instead of either no response or a module... was instead all that followed.
If my goal was tutorial I would have posted in the Newbie section or had reviewed the Tutorial section.

The only thing this communication has accomplished... is that we can all agree to disagree.

IMHO :oops: my viewpoint is...
it's more coherent with this section "title" to follow the example of the Wishlist. Namely... make the case for inclusion of a new idea...
take a poll... and it's either thumbs up or down by those with the skill set and/or authority to make it happen.

The proof of what I'm stating can be found @ pkgs.org because that is what those repos are doing.
The inconvenient truth... (which the best example is the gaming industry) is a system lives and dies based on software availability.

Yet again thanx... to francois for "helping" (eg. supporting) me (instead of doing favors) by giving me resources so I can find solutions.

In closing... for those who seek an alternative to "request hell" :evil: (aka. "favors") this might be a viable option...
http://webwarper.net/ww/~av/forum.porte ... 114&t=2386

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Re: libdesktop-agnostic/awn @ github

Post#9 by blue4meridian » 14 Sep 2015, 23:58

Salutations... :good:

The solution to escape the incoherence of this section is for me
(and anyone else serious about not being treated like a needy beggar looking for favors)
to abandon Slackware Porteus for Arch Porteus.

Slackware is a waste of time... regardless of the superhuman heroic efforts of Slackonly.
This is because a repo (or distro) is only as good as it's ability to keep up with other repos.

I consider the issue solved and will continue my crusade :x in the Haters section
(where I have diplomatic immunity from sanction)
in order to call out the maintainers lack of commitment to coherency.

Again... many thanks to francois for once again giving support instead of doing favors.

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Re: Solved:libdesktop-agnostic/awn @ github

Post#10 by francois » 16 Sep 2015, 11:26

@bluemeridian:
Maybe some people in this thread were not not enough sensitive to your needs and to your feelings. Or maybe they did not phrased their replies in a way you felt respected. However, there is one reason why on this forum the DIY (do it yourself) approach is favored: we are a very small community and cannot realistically respond to all the needs of the less autonomous members. DIY in this context is a very empowering approach. And as such, once more autonomous, these members could help increase the needs of new arriving members. You have your opinion on slackware, and you have the right to have this opinion. This is a slackware distribution and people that work currently with it appreciate it. So please do not hurt their feelings.

It would be appreciated that your further negative commentaries be emitted in the porteus haters subsection. I close this thread.

Thanks.
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Re: Solved:libdesktop-agnostic/awn @ github

Post#11 by francois » 23 Sep 2015, 00:50

@bluemeridian:
Please send me a private message on your opinion as this thread should be closed to regular members.
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