Dependency Hell (...the webwarper version?)

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Dependency Hell (...the webwarper version?)

Post#1 by blue4meridian » 20 Feb 2015, 20:34

Salutations... :good:

"because the road to :evil: is paved with good applications"... :cry:
Dependency hell


My use of the Arch repo came from a simple decision regarding "unetbootin" an application that I use for distros.
The Arch version of unetbootin is stable (on my systems). The Slackware version from USM is not (I have eight different systems).

Because "unetbootin" worked I decided to break out the cookie cutter (aka "one ring to rule them all..."),
because I'm a veteran of dependency hell. I did not go thru hell with Slax but I ran into it with Slitaz 10 yrs ago.

Here's what I've found with Arch. It's repo is a poster child for dependency hell... :evil:
However... it's a walk in the park compared to Fedora/RedHat which to me is the mother of all dependency hells.

At the end of the day... bundling with the Arch repo using pkgs.org is a painstaking tedious chore... :wall:
And the result (success?) of each chore has to be determined on a case by case basis.

More simply put... if it works it's a winner. If not... find a workaround. Otherwise... move on to something else... :unknown:
My approach is to use the Arch repo to determine which Slackware dependencies to use.

When I make a bundle I test the modules for corruption first. I also look for common denominators like... :Search:
"glibc" (or better still "musl")... "gcc" (or better still "tcc" and/or "llvm")... "systemd" (or better still "uselessd").

I believe the downside of the Slackware repo is... some packages may lack dependenices that would stablize and/or improve them. :wall:
I believe the upside of the Slackware repo is... it's packages terminate with few levels of hell.

Best Regards... :beer:
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Re: Dependency Hell (...the long version)

Post#2 by blue4meridian » 20 Feb 2015, 21:24

Salutations... :good:

In regard to controversial dependencies like "systemd"

Purist debates like "systemd" were settled ages ago when the gui and the web killed the command line as a metaphor in the 20th century.
The sundial the abacus and papyrus had their shot just like radio and b&w television. So why should the black arts be different.

A 20th century dystopian command line metaphor...
Colossus: The Forbin Project :wink:

I can only speak for myself but I'd rather spend more time using tools then making them.
And I say this as a purist because I believe FASM is superior to X.

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Re: Dependency Hell (...the long version)

Post#3 by donald » 20 Feb 2015, 21:46

systemd...
I wait till systemd has included its own kernel.

BTW:I really don't like to be routed via webwarper by every link you provide.
(even from one forum thread to another)

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Re: Dependency Hell (...the long version)

Post#4 by Bogomips » 20 Feb 2015, 23:20

@blue4meridian
Not too long ago tracked down 20 debs and 5 others on pkgs.org. Since then been beavering away at a little backburner project to ease the pain. Could sure use your feedback when I'm able to present it in the next week or so, hopefully. :unknown:
P.S. Also met same glibc when tracking gtk3 dependencies in Arch, just to see if differed from gtk+3.
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Re: Dependency Hell (...the long version)

Post#5 by blue4meridian » 20 Feb 2015, 23:35

Salutations... :good:

@ donald... "uselessd" (beta?) seems to be the cure for "systemd"... :wink:
In regard to Webwarper (webwarper.net/ww/~av/) remove it from your url if it doesn't work for you.
I've been using it for years because I'm paranoid and obsessed with bandwidth ("gzip").

@ Bogomips... sounds like a plan. I'm OK with beta testing... :good:

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Re: Dependency Hell (...the long version)

Post#6 by donald » 21 Feb 2015, 02:55

@ blue4meridian
What I was trying to say is:
It's OK when you're using webwarper,but the (dozen of) links you posted have that prefix too,why?
Such a link redirects me (and anyone else) to webwarper first, before accessing the real destination.
I took a short look at their privacy-terms, what they are collecting and who they are
source:
http://algart.net/wwgz/priv.htm

Therefore, thanks, but no thanks ...

--> obsessed with bandwidth <--- still using a 56K-Modem??.. :wink:

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Re: Dependency Hell (...the long version)

Post#7 by blue4meridian » 21 Feb 2015, 04:26

Salutations... :good:

@ donald... Webwarper is "reasonably" secure and private... like everything I use because I'm a security wonk (I use many tools/services).
So I'm sorry it doesn't work for you. Again... you are free to opt out. In regard to "bandwidth" I use a "000 -1" k modem... :cry:

Best Regards... :beer:
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Re: Dependency Hell (...the long version)

Post#8 by Ed_P » 21 Feb 2015, 05:50

Donald wrote: Such a link redirects me (and anyone else) to webwarper first, before accessing the real destination.
Donald don't dbl click on the links, RIGHT click on them and choose Copy. Paste them into the URL box and delete the webwarper.net part.

webwarper.net/ww/~av/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project

becomes

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project

A PITA when there is a lot of them but easy to do.
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Re: Dependency Hell (...the long version)

Post#9 by donald » 21 Feb 2015, 15:15

Hi Ed
Nice to see that you also know how to do that.
In general, (not related to webwarper only),"opt out" something is the wrong
approach.
"you can opt out" is the way people are tricked.Oh,you have overlooked that
you can '"opt out" the new fancy Toolbar..sorry,your fault...
What I mean is:
Give the direct link and don't send me to a "man in the middle".
Otherwise it will be your turn to find out who the "man in the middle" is and what he does.

regarding webwarper,did you read the privacy policy?,do you agree with that?..
Hmmm...maybe I have a different point of view what security/privacy means.
Let's leave it at that..

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Re: Dependency Hell (...the long version)

Post#10 by blue4meridian » 21 Feb 2015, 19:11

Salutations... :good:
In general, (not related to webwarper only),"opt out" something is the wrong
approach."you can opt out" is the way people are tricked.
@ donald... I'm sorry you feel that way. Please explain to me... exactly what do you have to offer other than...
hi-jacking my thread... trolling and going off topic that I would be trying to trick you out of??? :no:

Not for nothing... but I'm not sure you noticed the thread is called Dependency Hell NOT Webwarper Hell... :evil:
You can start your own thread about prefixes and I won't troll about the absence of them.

Best Regards... :beer:
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Re: Dependency Hell (...the long version)

Post#11 by francois » 21 Feb 2015, 20:17

Love is the solution. :friends:
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Re: Dependency Hell (...the long version)

Post#12 by blue4meridian » 21 Feb 2015, 20:30

Yes indeed... :Rose:

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Re: Dependency Hell (...the long version)

Post#13 by donald » 21 Feb 2015, 22:56

@ blue4meridian
hihihi..if I am already being called a troll,then:

I didn't say or even thought,that you were trying to trick me...
(nor do I believe you can)
This should be obvious because of the Words "in general" and "not related to",not?
The Question was,why this kind of links?... you didn't give a satisfactory reply.
But you are right,this is your thread...and I'm tired of this debate.
again..Let's leave it at that.
I bid you peace, serenity, happiness and prosperity

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Re: Dependency Hell (...the webwarper version?)

Post#14 by brokenman » 22 Feb 2015, 00:17

What linux like distro would you say offers the least problems with dependency resolution? .... from real world experience
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Re: Dependency Hell (...the webwarper version?)

Post#15 by Bogomips » 22 Feb 2015, 00:37

From what little experience gained, Arch has my vote, followed by Ubuntu. 8)
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