USM Unified Slackware Package Manager

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Re: USM Unified Slackware Package Manager

Post#211 by freestyler » 12 May 2014, 05:00

Good idea. I think it should be set to update by default.
Ive noticed that when it does update, USM need to be restarted or it wont search packages. That may be the cause of some peoples problems.
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Post#212 by brokenman » 12 May 2014, 12:02

Yeah. I will add a message that the application needs to restart.
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Re: USM Unified Slackware Package Manager

Post#213 by donald » 12 May 2014, 12:51

Personally I don't like (default) automatic "phone-home" components, wherever they may be.
A simple start up message "update usm first...." would be more than is needed.(imo)
Whatever, please don't forget an option to disable this (auto) behavior.Thanks

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Post#214 by freestyler » 12 May 2014, 13:04

I agree donald, I would turn mine off but I think for new users it will eliminate some problems.
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Re: USM Unified Slackware Package Manager

Post#215 by brokenman » 12 May 2014, 16:28

A simple start up message "update usm first...." would be more than is needed.(imo)
Wouldn't having this message popup at every start be more annoying than having the occasional popup when a new version of USM is available?

If you start the USM program then I would assume that you intend to (phone home) connect to our servers in order to search and download software. Where is the difference in 'checking for and internet connection' and checking the version in one step?

Other applications in porteus that require an internet connection store the script online and when the app is started it checks for the internet connection by downloading the main workhorse script. This way we can fix bugs real time without pushing any Porteus updates. Since USM doesn't require an internet connection (you may just be checking dependencies) I didn't take this route.

I understand the whole 'phone home' phobia but this isn't closed source where you can't see what is dialing out and what for. It is completely transparent and there would of course be the option to disable it. The popup would be via notifications panel item so it would disappear in a few seconds. Any further comments or opinions?
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Post#216 by freestyler » 12 May 2014, 17:03

Any further comments or opinions?
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Re: USM Unified Slackware Package Manager

Post#217 by donald » 12 May 2014, 21:20

@brokenman
ok,ok it's not that bad... :wink:
How about this:
I start the USM and it does not check anything (internet connection etc.)
until I click a Button (gui) or command (cli) -> "connect to Server".

It's not "phone home' phobia".Sometimes, somewhere it really doesn't matter.
But I prefer an OS, which do not send a single bit on it's own.

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Re: USM Unified Slackware Package Manager

Post#218 by Ed_P » 12 May 2014, 22:37

Donald wrote:How about this:
I start the USM and it does not check anything (internet connection etc.)
until I click a Button (gui) or command (cli) -> "connect to Server".
hmmmmm Image

When you start Porteus does it automatically connect to your network or do you manually click a network connection after booting?

When you start your browser does it automatically pull up a home page or do you manually click on a link before it connects?
But I prefer an OS, which do not send a single bit on it's own.
USM would only send a bit when you click on the USM icon. If you don't click on it it won't send anything.

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Re: USM Unified Slackware Package Manager

Post#219 by donald » 13 May 2014, 00:17

@Ed
automatically connect to your network
no
automatically pull up a home page
blank page

If I just want to use the (usm) Tools, there is no need to check something.

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Re: USM Unified Slackware Package Manager

Post#220 by brokenman » 13 May 2014, 00:34

It's not "phone home' phobia".Sometimes, somewhere it really doesn't matter.
But I prefer an OS, which do not send a single bit on it's own.
Yep I hear you. I also prefer total control. That's why I use linux. I want it to do everything I ask it, and nothing I don't ask it.

So what I am hearing is that USM should check for updates only when an 'online action' is invoked. The only time this happens is when the user wants to download a package, or they manually hit the update button. I could also add something in the settings to 'automatically check' for updates whenever USM starts. This way nothing dials out without permission. If we can integrate freestylers repository it should add greatly to the number of available packages. :good:
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Re: USM Unified Slackware Package Manager

Post#221 by donald » 13 May 2014, 01:00

^
I also prefer total control. That's why I use linux.
me too
USM should check for updates only when an 'online action' is invoked
correct
all in all, this seems to be an excellent solution. :beer:

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Re: USM Unified Slackware Package Manager

Post#222 by freestyler » 13 May 2014, 02:27

@brokenman: The 32bit repo is up and ready to go, the 64 bit is still uploading (I got a poo connection).
Im generating the LIBS.TXT and OPTIFEST, just a question, is the OPTIFEST supposed to include every file or just the slackware packages?
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Re: USM Unified Slackware Package Manager

Post#223 by fanthom » 13 May 2014, 14:08

i still think it would be better to have it enabled by default as advanced users (like donald) would know how to disable it.
love that i dont have to make tough decisions myself - up to you brokenman :)
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Re: USM Unified Slackware Package Manager

Post#224 by francois » 13 May 2014, 23:50

Great debate!!

i still think it would be better to have it enabled by default as advanced users (like donald) would know how to disable it.

I agree. We want as few as possible questions on the forum about: USM packager is broken, what can I do? This is damage control.

1) So what I am hearing is that USM should check for updates only when an 'online action' is invoked. The only time this happens is when the user wants to download a package, or they manually hit the update button. 2) I could also add something in the settings to 'automatically check' for updates whenever USM starts. This way nothing dials out without permission.

The implementation of these two options separately are interesting in an advanced usm user menu one could have the choice to deselect these options.
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Re: USM Unified Slackware Package Manager

Post#225 by bour59 » 23 May 2014, 15:20

hello
try usm -s gambas3
... found in slackbuilds version 3.4.1
same response after usm -u all
Slackbuilds.org give a new version 3.5.3 (recommended)
how to update the database!
another thing
you should add "try to use the slackbuild with a full slackware"
because missing .la on porteus devel ... and another ennoying errors
gambas3.3.5.3 works ok in slackware and also porteus
under porteus3.0 needs 2 .so to be run (easy to find.)
thanks .. wonderfull tool

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