KDE4 in 32bit discussion

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more dictionnaries for Konqueror 4.8.2

Post#1 by easy » 17 Jul 2012, 08:53

Hi

How to install permanently (more) dictionnaries for Konqueror 4.8.2 (UK, French, German; oh I see, there is no foreign language subdiv for German speakers...)?

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duckduckgo

Post#2 by easy » 17 Jul 2012, 08:57

Konqueror 3.5 offers duckduckgo as standard searching engine. Konqueror 4.8.2 not: Why not?

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Re: duckduckgo

Post#3 by wread » 17 Jul 2012, 12:50

You can use Firefox; Firefox is the standard internet browser of Porteus. It has druckdruckgo as base engine.
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Re: duckduckgo

Post#4 by brokenman » 17 Jul 2012, 14:58

Umm, i think your mean TDE3 offers duckduckgo as default search engine in firefox?
Konqueror isn't in KDE4, it uses dolphin.

How are you using KDE4 ... did you download the complete ISO from wread's link or did you use the menu in 32bit to replace Trinity with KDE4?
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Re: duckduckgo

Post#5 by easy » 17 Jul 2012, 18:04

brokenman wrote:Umm, i think your mean TDE3 offers duckduckgo as default search engine in firefox?
Konqueror isn't in KDE4, it uses dolphin.
as file manager ok! but you can't browse the Internet using dolphin. this is the matter of Konqueror
How are you using KDE4 ... did you download the complete ISO from wread's link
I don' t know what that is :crazy:
or did you use the menu in 32bit to replace Trinity with KDE4?
yes it was my way,

but,

of course

a complete ISO would be better (but not indicated in http://distrowatch.com :wink: ) so I did probably download the wrong one?

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Re: KDE4 in 32bit discussion

Post#6 by Hamza » 17 Jul 2012, 19:20

This ISO has not been released as official ISO from Porteus. The ISO of Porteus v1.X 32bit re-packed with KDE4 is from the great contributor Wread. Maybe a day, we will have an official Edition of KDE4 for 32bit :Yahoo!:
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Re: KDE4 in 32bit discussion

Post#7 by easy » 17 Jul 2012, 21:21

I did found and download wread's iso and try it this evening: it is terribly slow and unstable on my PC but it was possible to download Seamonkey from the depository but not to activate it (and I see now it is not in my dir /mnt/sda2/porteus/modules where it would have to be if downloaded correctly), and KDE4 did not have plasma or background: blackground was only black.
it was difficult to shutdown the PC (using the reset button but properly shutdownded) and not possible only to restart.

KDE4 without Konqueror would be simply nonsens: KDE is the refuge for people not liking mozilla any more, and only people not really liking KDE can propose a KDE4 environment with a different browser as main browser! I know: the kick is to avoid to really configure Konqueror completely as it is not easy because the most plugins and extensions are only proposed for mozilla browsers...

KDE4 make only sense with more applications especially Koffice because the new version would be a great alternative to Gnome or libre alt. open office! Kopete did introduce new figures in version KDE4 like direct translation of the messages as well as using of webcam in skype style. but it did become an enormous package in the KDE4, that is the problem...

despite it, I find:

no KDE4 without Konqueror, Koffice and Kopete

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Re: KDE4 in 32bit discussion

Post#8 by Hamza » 17 Jul 2012, 23:13

KDE4 without Konqueror would be simply nonsens
No it's only the evolution of KDE Desktop Environment :)
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Re: KDE4 in 32bit discussion

Post#9 by wread » 23 Jul 2012, 03:56

@easy
I do have konqueror in my KDE4-system, why don't you have it in yours? :(

There are more than one iso version in the net. I think I will eliminate the old ones (kde-4.2.1, 4.7.1, 4.7.4, 4.8.0, etc). They were the first steps to introducing KDE4 for 32-bits Porteus. At present I recommend you to download the modules 004-kde.xzm and 005-kde4apps.xzm from the official repo and put them in modules, in substitution of 004-tde and 005-tdeapps, that you should move to optional, in order not to loose them.

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Re: more dictionnaries for Konqueror 4.8.2
easy wrote:Hi

How to install permanently (more) dictionnaries for Konqueror 4.8.2 (UK, French, German; oh I see, there is no foreign language subdiv for German speakers...)?
You can find the internationalization module of your preference in http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown
Just download it and righclick it to convert the txz file to xzm; put the converted module in "modules" and reboot.

Good luck! :roll:

Edit: KOffice is deprecated and will not be maintained any more. They are now working in the Calligra-Suite. Meanwhile, until Calligra is ready for production, I recommend you to use LibreOffice, that is already ok.
LibreOffice has been posted in this forum under xzm-modules (32-bits).

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Re: KDE4 in 32bit discussion

Post#10 by wread » 05 Aug 2012, 18:21

Hi all!

Any operating system without production tools is more or less a sophisticated toy for big boys :crazy:
That's why I like Porteus: it is not too big, but big enough to accommodate modern production tools. There has been often the question of how important it is to be "little" and therefore "fast".

Instead of being little and fast we should prefer to be "moderate" in size, "faster" (than our competitors) and "capable" of doing things that the others cannot...., in other words efficient. And I love my mini-KDE4; it has brought me pleasant hours building applications that I had never dreamed of. My last production is the prototype of FreeCAD for slack-related operating systems:

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As far as I know it had been only built in Debian and Suse systems mainly.

I have made many builds of Bricscad and everytime my good friend Hamza remains me, it is a 30-day trial and we should not support piracy, and that is right. But Bricscad is a clone of the king of the cads, doesn't seem to be a native-linux project and it is not "faster" as it should be. FreeCAD is a linux-native, bleeding-edge application for advanced operating systems. It is now in a very fast developing stage, so it is worth to keep track of it.

Last month I posted Kmymoney, a nice production application for bookkeeping, as well as OpenProject, a magnificent tool for timekeepers and cost estimators.

I was not sure to post this here or under "What is your preferred DE", but I wanted to test how many of you out there would be interested.

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Re: KDE4 in 32bit discussion

Post#11 by RamonTavarez » 14 Aug 2012, 13:13

Hi averyone!
"Any operating system without production tools is more or less a sophisticated toy for big boys"
I agree with wread. The capability of any operating system has to be a measured through the applications that allow us to be productive in our respectives areas of work.

I Think that Porteus must increase its efforts in the development of applications that support the R + D and technical areas.

Porteus can be a powerful tool in the study and scientific development in the universities, but to achieve that must be able to offer to the users tools and applications useful for these tasks.

An important detail that should be thought is the following one: to unify the versions of the desktop's environments for the version of 32 bit and that of 64 bit. For example: the version of KDE for 32 bit is a version, from my point of view, already obsolete, whereas for 64 bit I have observed that one works on a much more updated version. :friends:

I am an engineer user of operating systems of 32 bit, since most of the applications really useful and trusted as good and valid are developed in 32 bit, which might be included in the catalogue of Porteus, allowing it to extend this way its scope and to demonstrate its real power compared to other options.

I hope that these words should not mean that I do not appreciate the work done by the developers, but rather that cheers them up to continue forward with an approach that should allow to take their work to higher and more valuable levels. :good:
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Re: KDE4 in 32bit discussion

Post#12 by brokenman » 14 Aug 2012, 19:46

Thanks Ramon, your comments are valid.
from my point of view, already obsolete
On the contrary it is being actively developed. The mailing list receives around10-20 replies each day while Trinity developers iron out small bugs and prepare for the official release. Unfortunately qt3 was abandoned and the TDE developers have taken up it's legacy. In an effort to allow Trinity to exist alongside KDE4 they have re-layered qt3 as tqt (Trinity QT). The down side is that many older applications are hard coded for qt3 and result in failure when trying to compile.

I fully agree that there is a level of redundancy that comes with using TDE however; we need to consider that in order to reach a wider community we are obliged to maintain support for older hardware. This means keeping resource usage as low as possible. At the moment we offer 3 light weight desktop environments for 32bit and also KDE4 maintained by wread. In my humble opinion this opens the door for all users.

Unity versus diversity is a fine line. We lean towards diversity in order to remain accessible for a wider cross section of the linux community. People with processing power can use KDE4 or 64bit and those that squeeze what they can out of older hardware have lxde, xfce or tde. If you have a request for certain applications that you feel would be useful to increase usability for Porteus then by all means speak up and we will do our best to compile something. I'd like to populate the repository with useful applications.
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Re: KDE4 in 32bit discussion

Post#13 by RamonTavarez » 14 Aug 2012, 20:59

Thanks for your reply.
we need to consider that in order to reach a wider community we are obliged to maintain support for older hardware. This means keeping resource usage as low as possible.
I consider that a very good practice. This way one will be able to extend the ROI of a part of the community.
If you have a request for certain applications that you feel would be useful to increase usability for Porteus then by all means speak up and we will do our best to compile something. I'd like to populate the repository with useful applications.
AsI mentioned before there are applications of technical and scientific use in R + D, that are natives of Linux and also freesoftware/opensource that could be implemented in porteus, between them: octave, scilab, Smath Studio, R, LibreOffice (preferably a more updated version than the one that is available at present in the repo of Porteus 32 bit), software for CAD.

I am conscious of that the community is growing and that the work of the developers is arduous, and although the options in these moments are not so abundant as we wanted, also I believe that it will be possible to go so far as to have a much wider catalogue of applications.

Congratulations for the work realized .
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Re: KDE4 in 32bit discussion

Post#14 by wread » 28 Oct 2012, 13:01

@all kde4 32-bits users:

To get KDE4 in 32 bits working ok as a development tool, you will have somehow to divorce it from TDE.
Substituting 004-tde and 005-tdeapps for 004-kde4 and 005-kde4apps is not enough to compile kde4 applications.
Adding automoc and cmake is a must (the 64-bit edition includes both in devel), but again this is not enough. The compiler gets mixed up looking for header files of qt4 that are similarly named in tqt (the trinity version of qt3).

The current hack I have found for it, is simple, based on the fact that porteus loads his modules in alphabetical (and numerical) order: if we rename 007-devel to 003-devel, then 004-kde4 will overwrite the trinity headers and all TDE-related stuff with the qt4 ones!

Now you can compile kde4 applications; if you never used KDevelop, try it now, it is a beauty in performance! One click here and another there and you have your application ready to go!

@brokenman
The end solution will be to put together a new devel4 module for kde4 in 32 bits, taking out tqt related files.
Can you please send me per PM your 007-devel stack, so I can modify it to suit the needs of kde4 in 32 bits?
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@fanthom
To get both editions of kde4 to behave similarly, I would like to have your 005-devel stack posted in PM too; would you be so kind to send it to me?
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Another Issue:
If you like kde4 in 32 bits, for sure you don't use lxde; then take it out and you will have nicer looking icons on your panel, those related to the NetworkManager. In lxde the corresponding files are equal named and Network Manager is included in 002-xorg, so 003-lxde overwrites the nice looking icons with ugly ones....

@ponce
I think you are the only doctor to cure that illness :cry:
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Re: KDE4 in 32bit discussion

Post#15 by fanthom » 28 Oct 2012, 18:32

@wread

sure - will do this evening.
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