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manjaro or ubuntu

Post#1 by francois » 29 Jul 2016, 00:39

For sure my preference is to porteus. With all its pros and cons. As man wrote, a well known humanist and philosopher, close to the poor and indigent:
I will say if only God did build us a linux distro it would be Porteus! Thank you Lord for Porteus and may this distro recieve the contributions it needs to be around forever...

However, a discussion with a friend of mine brought me to the following question:
If slackware would not exist, would I prefer porteus to be ubuntu or manjaro based? What do you think? All your opionions are welcome, but would be better weighted if you assert that you have tackled these two versions of linux.
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Re: manjaro or ubuntu

Post#2 by francois » 30 Jul 2016, 15:33

Personally, my preference goes to manjaro. It is somewhat more performant and lighter than ubuntu. It ask more skills, but the arch linux documentation is concise and extensive

In addition, porteus lack of pasture would be definitely remediated.
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Re: manjaro or ubuntu

Post#3 by Jack » 30 Jul 2016, 17:14

I 2nd that if we are going to change to a new base distro. I hope it is Manjaro base. They keep there package more up-to-date. I have ran Manjaro and Mint live off of a DVD and install a few program and Manjaro was up-to-date or more current.
I just like Slackware because I think it teach you about Linux to build packages where Ubuntu is like Windows you just install programs you want.

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Re: manjaro or ubuntu

Post#4 by donald » 31 Jul 2016, 00:02

-- statement --
Generally, I don't care which distro is used.
I have work to do -- I simply need software which
does what i want it to do.

-- rant --
"bleeding edge - cutting edge - up to date - or whatever it is called - Software"
If a programm version 1.5 will do, why should i want a version x.x
which will most likely introduce new bugs.
Is newer software better?
No, the Sw gets more and more bloated, sloppy coded, inefficient and buggy.

Are you in doubt?
Read (e.g.) distro reviews on dedoimedo.com
Regression in (flawless) funktionality, and bugs everywhere.
-- more bling bling, but less QA -- Even bugs which have been solved
in former versions show up again.

The same goes for kernel versions.
If a kernel x.x supports my hardware, why look for another?

Of course, if one owns really new Hw, you need a recent kernel.
If not, why bother?- you do not expect that the Hw will run faster
because of a newer kernel, do you?

If the system runs well (and does what it should do) i see no reason
to upgrade whatever it may be. -- except for SERIOUS security flaws.

Thats why i don't like rolling releases telling me every day
"there are xxxx package upgrades available".

Also, as long as i can get a distro without systemd I'll take it.
(pulseaudio can also go to /dev/null; what's wrong with alsa?)

A quote from someone whose name I have forgotten
"Our software of tomorrow will make your Hardware of tomorrow run at the usual speed"
LOL
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Re: manjaro or ubuntu

Post#5 by Bogomips » 31 Jul 2016, 00:52

^^^ Of same mind as donald, except imperative to upgrade to newest workable release. Quite simply support for older releases fades out, newest release usually brings more features, and finally the interdepenndability of software. Like not being able to work certain sites, unless having javascript or flash etc. More and more sites expecting one to have the latest browsers (e.g capable of playing html5 videos with latest codecs), and latest browsers expecting latest software. Otherwise one falls by the wayside. :Search:

IMHO not bleeding edge, but something as close to forefront as stability criteria allow, which normally means an active user base/forum solving issues involving said release, where users have been able to gain sufficient expertise as to be able to mutually help one another.

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Re: manjaro or ubuntu

Post#6 by brokenman » 31 Jul 2016, 15:34

I am in the same boat as Bogomips and Donald. I think most long time users probably are. Outside of working on Porteus, I just want to sit down and get my work done. I don't care if v5 looks better than v4 and adds a little new functionality. I was already happy getting my work done on v4.

Nothing worse than windows telling me I have to wait for 124 updates before I can use my OS just because I haven't switched it on for two weeks. I also hate when a rolling release updates only to find that the update breaks something. This is one of the reasons I like Slackware.

For me, the OS for me is just the driver's seat. If I can reach everything I need from the drivers seat comfortably without taking my eyes off the road then I am happy. Ubuntu probably beats arch for hardware compatibility and software availability in this regard. I am not well versed in Ubuntu so I would have a little to learn but from what I can tell it is more user friendly for GUI users.
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Re: manjaro or ubuntu

Post#7 by Jack » 31 Jul 2016, 16:37

What good for you brokenman is that Slackware you build a working OS and use it. Then when you want to update it later you build another working OS.

And you are right about what you wrote. Hope you stay with Slackware.
I just like Slackware because I think it teach you about Linux to build packages where Ubuntu is like Windows you just install programs you want.

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Post#8 by fullmoonremix » 31 Jul 2016, 18:47

I guess for me manjaro. It was one of the last distros I played with before I discovered Porteus ( :unknown: or rediscovered Slax?).

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Re: manjaro or ubuntu

Post#9 by Blaze » 31 Jul 2016, 20:09

Porteus code name “Nemesis” a Manjaro OpenRC based aufs distribution + deb2xzm = :friends:
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Re: manjaro or ubuntu

Post#10 by francois » 03 Aug 2016, 15:09

@brokenman:
Is there a possibility for having the arch-manjaro module wrapper as a stand-alone program?

Would it be adaptable for ubuntu? And then building on it a porteus ubuntu version?

Concerning the apt-get package manager, we are many to have worked with it. We will help for sure. But I suspect that you are going to catch it very fast. :wink:
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Re: manjaro or ubuntu

Post#11 by istinnjazz » 07 Aug 2016, 12:02

This is a connection link between the manjaro and porteus communities:

https://forum.manjaro.org/t/porteus-nem ... ution/3659

There has been an interesting discussion there. No need to say what I choose to use... enjoy.

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Post#12 by brokenman » 07 Aug 2016, 23:04

Is there a possibility for having the arch-manjaro module wrapper as a stand-alone program?
No, the wrapper simply calls the real package manager to do the work, then does its own thing once it finishes.
Would it be adaptable for ubuntu? And then building on it a porteus ubuntu version?
It may be possible but not something I would tackle with my limited time.
This is a connection link between the manjaro and porteus communities:
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Re: manjaro or ubuntu

Post#13 by francois » 08 Aug 2016, 00:30

@Jay:
Great to see that you exchange on the manjaro forum. These guys are not pretentious and very open minded. Also their forum is friendly, helpful, exactly what we try to provide here.
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Re: manjaro or ubuntu

Post#14 by brokenman » 08 Aug 2016, 02:23

Yes, they appear to be very amiable and they do great work!
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Re: manjaro or ubuntu

Post#15 by neko » 08 Aug 2016, 05:01

I think that the most essential of Porteus is the small size.

When Arch or Ubuntu will be applied to Porteus,
it might not be appropriate to employ an original package manager (pacman or apt/dpkg) directly.

But on the case that the reason of applying other distro to Porteus is to use its package manager,
it might be better to use original distro.

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