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Post#16 by n0ctilucient » 29 Sep 2017, 01:34

Commits aren't done to wiki's (the article is old NOT the maintenance).

They are done to projects...
see... https://sourceforge.net/p/ede/code/HEAD/tree/

Again... old in appearence which is
the result of the toolkit widget set.
Conversely, McIlroy has criticized modern Linux as having software bloat, remarking that, "adoring admirers have fed Linux goodies into a disheartening state of obesity."[9] He contrasts this with earlier approach taken at Bell Labs when developing and revising Research Unix:
This takes us back to a simple equation...
eye candy = shiny "new" bloat

Which is why GNU/Linux is going to hell in a hand
basket because the following rule is being ignored...

Unix philosophy: Do One Thing and Do It Well

There are comits to GNU's tree that are far older
yet they are essential to upstream projects like...

Debian... Redhat and Slackware.

Without which these projects or their interfaces
and even environments could NOT exist.

The maintenance cycles of projects are determined by the
roadmap of it's mantainers NOT the speculation of it's end users.

If short cycles were the criterion of a valid project
then the Slackware project is chronically dormant.

@ brokenman... I guess I'm showing my age.

I was a big fan of Han Solo's... Millennium Falcon
It was a piece of junk... but the fastest ship in the Galaxy. :oops:
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Post#17 by fulalas » 29 Sep 2017, 05:53

@n0ctilucient, the commits made after 2014 are basically 'Applying patches from Michael to fix openbsd...'. See for yourself: https://sourceforge.net/p/ede/code/HEAD/tree/ede/trunk/

Last official release is from June 2014, so the project is basically dead. Sorry, but this is how technology works. If EDE was perfect, I wouldn't say anything, But it is not. In fact, EDE is miles away from being solid/polished. Of course, it doesn't mean we can't use it or even adore it :)

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Post#18 by n0ctilucient » 29 Sep 2017, 11:40

Again... based on that assessment a good deal of GNU would be dead.

We are back to the shiny and "new" reasoning (systemd or M$$$/Intel?).

Which means in 1985 64k/1.44mb was sufficient for a word processor PC.
Now... today 3ghz/1tb are required for a notepad app if one believes the hype.

Once again... if the project were dead there would be no commits @ all.

One man's commit is another man's dead project.
Just like one man's bloat is another man's feature.

If your point is the project is a unpopular hobby project then Ok.
It may not have that new car smell but neither does JWM (Puppy Linux).

But a project is dead when it is no longer maintained.

That is the definition of dead. Again... I do definition NOT opinion.
Again a developer road map is NOT determined by user speculation.

If other projects like the ones you describe are constantly tweaking that is a function
of metics like manpower... popularity... or Feature creep and the bugs it introduces.

Compared to Red Hat (NYSE:RHT)... Porteus is a "dead" project
because of manpower... industry adoption and sponsorship.

But that comparison does NOT take into account other
important metrics like innovation... quality and performance.

Assember may be archaic (or perhaps dead?) but it put man on
the moon and still runs large chunks of the darknet and is insanely fast.

I learned when I was young that... "that all that glitters is NOT gold".
Midnight Commander is not shiny and "new" but it gets the job done.
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Post#19 by fulalas » 29 Sep 2017, 21:18

@n0ctilucient, you're funny :)

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Post#20 by n0ctilucient » 30 Sep 2017, 00:48

Thanks... we aim to please. I just checked out your build. Nicely done.
However... Gparted and IsoMan (Gtk) would be needed for development.

Yes the sad truth is... they are necessary evils.
Can you whip up a build that includes them?

I made an iso using your module and the XFCE iso by removing 003-xfce.xzm.

I added Palemoon but forgot to add TkDVD and Xfe and also 05-devel.xzm
I'll have to do that tomorrow. I might use this as a base for a hardened build.
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Post#21 by wread » 06 Oct 2017, 15:19

@n0ctilucient, @fulalas

At the beginning of the Porteus Era there was KDE only for 64 bits....by fanthom, not 32-bits. The reason: KDE was (is ?) too bloated for a 32 bit system, making it very slow.

Then I tried it and made a first version of it. It was indeed super slow. Fanthom almost laughed at me! Then he gave me some tips to make it quicker and smaller :celebrate3:

As first step, I took out all the aconadi, nepomuk, soprano, wallet, etc.(=garbage) and it was already somewhat better. Then I made a home-brew edition of kdelibs, taking out the frameworks of the packages I had eliminated; and finally I made a short version of qt4 that included only the necessary files to run the desktop (I still use it, kde-qt4 is named; I use for vidalia of tor, that is not still ported to qt5).

After that KDE could run decently in 32 bits and was adopted by Porteus :hi:

I think I will try and make again a kde-qt5 and see what happens...at any rate, I don't develop in qt neither in qml: I hate learning for the qt company only...I rather learn wide-used vanilla languages..

Yes, I recently tested EDE and FVWM: it is a long, long way to go without qt/gtk dear friends :cry:
....and to stay on topic, I compiled and tested file manager xfe; it is good; requires toolkit fox 1.6 instead of qt or gtx!

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Post#22 by n0ctilucient » 06 Oct 2017, 18:28

Xfe + PekWM = :good:

I just made a build of Xfe/PekWM (w/o EDE).
Even without using copy2ram it's awesome!

Now that I figured out the PekWM configuration...
(yes I'm doing WM + extras) I can do hardening.
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Post#23 by wread » 08 Oct 2017, 02:11

@n0ctilucient

Trying to compile pekwm led me to a bug in my system - maybe many Porteus systems have it!- I had multiple versions of libpng (12, 14, 15 and 16) and the linker took a different version than the compiler. The solution was to eliminate totally the versions of 001-core, where libpng has little or nothing to do, and keep the version 16 contained in 002-xorg.

After the correction of 001-core (I also eliminated for me an useless package -cgmanager-) Then I could compile and link pekwm. I had already xfe and fox, so I could test both pekwm and xfe. I have it in an extra usb :happy62:

Indeed, dear friend, this little DE seems promising! I will keep an eye on it :roll:
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Post#24 by n0ctilucient » 08 Oct 2017, 14:59

:Yahoo!: I just love a simple PekWM desktop (plus "extras"... not DE) without EDE.
It's the perfect compliment to XfeFM. WM + FM (w/ text editor + image viewer) = badass!!!

I have a confession to make. All this time I have been endorsing EDE but
the truth is I'm just lazy. I just didn't want to bother with /etc/pekwm/menu.

So now I'm throwing EDE under the bus. Now I might add Bar (by LemonBoy).
For now I'll add nmtui-connect to the menu to connect to Palemoon browser.

I will also compile Netsurf (framebuffer version w/ gstreamer)
to replace Palemoon... so I can watch YouTube IT lectures.

And of course with all that... there is still hardening.
See... Src2pkg.conf w/ "hardened" EXTRA_FLAGS (Post by n0ctilucient #57257)
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Post#25 by Payoon » 08 Oct 2017, 15:06

I use spacefm for years now. When compiling it with

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--disable-video-thumbnails
it is quite small and snappy. Also very useful when copying a lot from A to B. Can also be installed with an installer script into the changes module. My clear favorite.

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Post#26 by wread » 11 Oct 2017, 12:04

Does anybody use 7zFM??
What is the feature that made it appear in Porteus???
I have not erased it because it is small and it is not worthwhile :(

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Post#27 by n0ctilucient » 11 Oct 2017, 15:02

Good for navigating 7z archiver not much else. Because it's not full featured.
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Post#28 by fulalas » 11 Oct 2017, 20:46

Engrampa can't handle some file types, so I imagine that this is the reason we still have 7zFM inside 002-xorg.

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Post#29 by brokenman » 12 Oct 2017, 01:02

Are you talking about the p7zip package or the binary 7zFM that is a part of that package?
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Post#30 by wread » 12 Oct 2017, 02:33

Then I guess the p7zip packages can unzip zip files with other file managers or as plugin from arch, or am I wrong???

7zFM is kind of an anachronismus in Porteus :%)
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