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kde 5 plasma: kdenlive and video editing tweaking

Posted: 19 Jul 2017, 15:46
by francois
This topic about kdenlive has been split from an old thread viewtopic.php?f=48&t=3752&start=45

kdenlive installed under kde plasma with usm, only missing package was mlt. However at first use kdenlive complained of missing:
avformat module (ffmpeg)
dv module (libdv)
dvgrap
dvdauthor

I have a general interest into the video editing. My present objective is to be able to view karaté an aikido videos of mouvements in slow motion (kata and bunkai analysis).

1.0 I have not found a way to set them on. As kdenlive complains of missing avformat module ffmpeg, I can see that ffmpeg is there. So what is missing?

2.0 In addition, I have been unable to load in kdenlive video files not in the kdenlive format. Kino was great for that.

Any suggestion?

Thanks.

kde 5 plasma: kdenlive and video editing tweaking

Posted: 23 Jul 2017, 16:05
by wread
To get kdenlive working I needed all these dependencies...do you have them all installed?
Check this

Enjoy!

kde 5 plasma: kdenlive and video editing tweaking

Posted: 23 Jul 2017, 16:23
by francois
Thanks wread. Finally, I am opting for shotcut SHOTCUT: flexible, intuitive video editor, kino's follower

kde 5 plasma: kdenlive and video editing tweaking

Posted: 23 Jul 2017, 20:50
by francois
Hello wread. Would you be a contendent to maintain the kde plasma desktop?

kde 5 plasma: kdenlive and video editing tweaking

Posted: 24 Jul 2017, 20:41
by alienbob
<RANT>
The thing with Porteus is that the question to "maintain the kde plasma desktop" in fact means, "download the hard work by alienbob and create Porteus modules out of it without giving credit".
I used to be a fan of porteus but it really saddens me to see how people hack together modules from randomly downloaded Slackware packages and then dismiss the software because "kdenlive complained of missing:
avformat module". Do your research, use the correct packages so you can offer a software that works, and start giving credit to the people who do the work for you. I want to stress that these binaries are almost all GPL-ed code, which requires you to make the source code available to whoever wants to use the binaries. I can't find source code anywhere on the Porteus web site.
Do you guys actually understand how these packages are built?
</RANT>
Sorry, I had to get this out of my system.

kde 5 plasma: kdenlive and video editing tweaking

Posted: 25 Jul 2017, 00:31
by francois
@alienbob:
Sorry if you currently feel unrecognized thru our writings on KDE. This is really not meant. Without your hard work there would be no KDE for porteus and Slackware users.

Have a look here about SHOTUT SHOTCUT: flexible, intuitive video editor, kino's follower

Personally you have all my admiration and respect, and from what I know from our forum members. :)

More specifically for myself, you are completely right, the research might have been too superficial as you know best, and a lot of people with fewer time on Linux forum would do better than I do. But this is me: perfectible.

Finally, the problem is not on the binaries that you build, but the capacity of our package manager (USM) sometimes to get them together. But this is no excuse. :wink:

And you are right we do not maintain, but simply download and adapt to the porteus distribution. Forgive my approximate use of Shakespeare idioma. Your contribution and the GPL should be clearly recognized without doubt.

kde 5 plasma: kdenlive and video editing tweaking

Posted: 25 Jul 2017, 03:48
by Ed_P
alienbob wrote:
24 Jul 2017, 20:41
<RANT>
The thing with Porteus is that the question to "maintain the kde plasma desktop" in fact means, "download the hard work by alienbob and create Porteus modules out of it without giving credit".
hmmm Sorry you feel that way. And I'm reasonably sure that is not the intent of the admins. How can this be resolved? What kind of credit would you like from someone who downloads one of your apps? I for one download your Flashplayer module every month.

And BTW the USM Flashplayer module's name ends in alien.xzm, if that helps.
Do you guys actually understand how these packages are built?
</RANT>
No. I don't. I appreciate it that they are build but know how, or understand, not so much. But who are you appealing to, the dumb noobie, the experienced pro, or the person who likes finding something that works and solves a need? I frequently use Windows and I don't understand how it is build either. Does it work on my hardware, yes. Does it do for me what I need, yes. Do I know how it is built, not so much. Do I like it, yes. Do I appreciate it, yes. Do I give it credit, no.

kde 5 plasma: kdenlive and video editing tweaking

Posted: 25 Jul 2017, 11:54
by Bogomips
alienbob wrote:
24 Jul 2017, 20:41
Do you guys actually understand how these packages are built?
If time can be spared to educate, would very much appreciate tutorial in Tutorials section from someone with their finger on the pulse. :friends:

kde 5 plasma: kdenlive and video editing tweaking

Posted: 25 Jul 2017, 22:57
by brokenman
@wread @all
Please reference alienbob's KDE5 work when creating any form of Porteus that uses the KDE5 environment. I haven't as yet looked at wread's version of this but I will most certainly include reference in the current version if I decide to make it a part of Porteus. He deserves credit for the work he does.

In relation to making the source code for Porteus available, I believe I've answered this question a few times before. All code is freely available. The complete build system was made available not long ago.
I want to stress that these binaries are almost all GPL-ed code, which requires you to make the source code available to whoever wants to use the binaries. I can't find source code anywhere on the Porteus web site.
I have to admit I am a little lost here. In one breath you fall slightly short of accusing us of ripping off other people's work, but in the next breath, you say that we need to provide the source code for said work. Do I misunderstand something?

kde 5 plasma: kdenlive and video editing tweaking

Posted: 27 Jul 2017, 18:42
by wread
@Brokenman, @francois
You don't have to worry: In the future I will submit all sources of the modules I build with references to the authors. Or, maybe better: we can build from KDE sources, or not?

BTW, in the new face of the forum there are no "XZM Team" members. Maybe I am fired for cooking my own coffee?

Regards!

kde 5 plasma: kdenlive and video editing tweaking

Posted: 30 Jul 2017, 14:15
by brokenman
BTW, in the new face of the forum there are no "XZM Team" members. Maybe I am fired for cooking my own coffee?
No certainly not Wread, in fact I encourage it!

We can certainly build it from sources given the time. I assume nobody wants to reinvent the wheel though. Alienbob does great work and is just asking for a little recognition, albeit in an unfavourable tone.

Question for Alienbob ...
Does your slackware live version not use the work of others? The only difference I see is that we use a different compression for the packages.

kde 5 plasma: kdenlive and video editing tweaking

Posted: 01 Aug 2017, 12:25
by wread
@brokenman
Don't be so hard, Jay!
But in fact, I have decompressed some slackware live modules using Porteus tools :lol: They have only a different extension...

kde 5 plasma: kdenlive and video editing tweaking

Posted: 01 Aug 2017, 19:48
by beny
hi wread, well try to change kernel version in slacklive....